Something hypocritical (I Still Believe movie spoiler alert + RANT :))

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So a while back, maybe like February 2020, this older Christian lady (who I do not get along with anymore) asked me if I would like to see a movie in theaters. I said, okay sure. It was a movie called I Still Believe which is based off the true story of a Christian music artist, Jeremy Camp. It was a tragic romance drama. Since I’m not religious, the movie was a little baffling to me.

It’s one of those sick girls who are “too good for this sinful world” movies. I was getting A Walk to Remember vibes (the book, not the movie). Based only on the script, I did not understand how Jeremy Camp married the sick girl, sticks by her to the end, gets comforted by a fan who was inspired by his music, then marries that fan and has four children with her. Did Jeremy do anything selfish throughout the movie? Of course not. Not to mention Jeremy was a college-aged male, so did I think his level of maturity was believable for his age?

(\\\٩(๑`^´๑)۶////me flips over a table(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻)

LIKE NO ONE IS THAT GOOD

Of course, that too-good-to-be-true story could be true. It was a good movie. Not great, because people are greedy and not nearly as selfless as the movie depicted. But it’s a movie, so I’ll suspend some of my disbelief. So I told the Christian lady it was a good movie because I thought it was, just that the real story of Jeremy Camp would have more doubting of God, though I understand they’re playing to their audience. (I don’t know one person who has unshakeable faith like that, except maybe Ice Bear). That last minute second-chance love interest got on my nerves a little. It was TOO perfect, if you know what I mean. Most of the movie, Jeremy is romancing his love interest by playing Christian music on his guitar (which she finds really attractive), then all of a sudden, he’s a widower, and the second girl Adrian says “your music helped me get through a hard time in my life” and he hugs her. Then it jump cuts to the epilogue in which Jeremy marries Adrian and they’re on a beach sending helium lanterns floating over the ocean.

Actually, what bothered me was that a week later, I asked the Christian lady if she wanted to see a Studio Ghibli movie with me. She never heard of Studio Ghibli before (which bothered me, but I was going to introduce it to her)

The movie was called Weathering with You, and it’s magical realism, and has some Shinto (Japanese animism) elements to it. The graphics and story beats were on point, and didn’t have any morally bad stuff that Christians don’t let their children watch.

And the Christian lady didn’t have anything good to say about the movie because Shinto beliefs were incorporated into the plot.

WAIT WHAT

from my point of view, she was watching the movie and trying to determine how the themes stacked up to her Christian beliefs. She couldn’t evaluate the movie objectively, or at least say the graphics were good. She went straight to the fact that it wasn’t a Christian movie, and it even promoted the supernatural elements of Shinto beliefs.

And this is my problem with people who can’t appreciate new things and say the old stuff is always better. You belong to the here and now not fifty years ago. Let’s face it, life’s much better now than it was back then.

Actually what bothers me is people only sticking to what they grew up on. If you’ve eaten meat and potatoes your whole life, and you won’t eat sushi because it’s raw fish, that just gets my goat.

Anyway, I realized the Christian lady and I weren’t even speaking the same language. I wanted to find some common ground, but being civil is about all I can manage. 🙃

 
Oh yeah, I wanted to ask if being Christian makes you more or less squeamish about dark themes and morally dubious things.

Aren’t there plenty of terrible things in the Old Testament?

 
No I don't think it makes Christians more squeamish about dark things or morally dubious things. There are quite a few Christian movies and books that are about dark things or hardships because we do see humans are not perfect and that is the central theme of our religion. Now I will agree that many Christian movies can drift into being very feel good or the characters sometimes can be potrayed as always perfect but I would say that every religious movie makes its characters come off like that. Yes the old testament is very full of people doing bad things as well as in the new testament. 

 
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Oh yeah, I wanted to ask if being Christian makes you more or less squeamish about dark themes and morally dubious things.

Aren’t there plenty of terrible things in the Old Testament?
Oh, yes, there are plenty of terrible things in the Old Testament. King David lusted after his soldier's wife and did stuff with her before having her husband killed in battle so that he wouldn't find out about David getting Bathsheba pregnant. Solomon, the wisest man on earth next to Jesus (also David's son; go figure), partook in polygamy near the end of his reign and ended up worshiping their gods. On and on and on...

If I have to be honest, yes, dark/morally dubious things make me squeamish. I can't speak for others, but I'd rather avoid them as much as possible if I can. Those things don't appeal to me as a Christian or help me grow.

I've seen that movie before. It was one of those movies that made me have questions left to right, but I guess it was decent?

The movie was called Weathering with You, and it’s magical realism, and has some Shinto (Japanese animism) elements to it. The graphics and story beats were on point, and didn’t have any morally bad stuff that Christians don’t let their children watch
Some Christians don't prefer watching movies such as that because it deals with a different religion as well as magic (witchcraft). My family would be one of them. I can't speak for all Christians though; there are a few families in my church that are into Harry Potter, which is totally their decision.

(I don’t know one person who has unshakeable faith like that, except maybe Ice Bear).
I haven't been put through something so intense that tested my faith (yet); so I don't even know what to say. Lol...

 
If I have to be honest, yes, dark/morally dubious things make me squeamish. I can't speak for others, but I'd rather avoid them as much as possible if I can. Those things don't appeal to me as a Christian or help me grow.


But then how does reading the terrible stuff in the Bible help you grow when you avoid the morally dubious stuff in pop culture?

Seems like a double standard to me.

 
Now I will agree that many Christian movies can drift into being very feel good or the characters sometimes can be potrayed as always perfect but I would say that every religious movie makes its characters come off like that.


Yeah, it’s not realistic!

 
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Oh yeah, I wanted to ask if being Christian makes you more or less squeamish about dark themes and morally dubious things.
Hmm... A lot of the books I've read (and written) have had dark themes. I don't have a problem with that as long as these themes are portrayed in the right light. For example, you could have a character who's in a horrible situation (facing a criminal, death, etc.) but comes to rely on God and His strength through those bad times. 

I have more of a problem with morally dubious things. There is absolute truth, and some of these morally dubious things can slide into moral relativism. In the end, it depends on how these morally dubious things are presented. If it's something the Bible has clearly said one way or another on, but it's presented as morally dubious, I'd have a problem with that.

For me, it's all about presentation. 🙂

It was a tragic romance drama. 
That movie doesn't sound like my thing at all. Too sappy! 😄

She went straight to the fact that it wasn’t a Christian movie, and it even promoted the supernatural elements of Shinto beliefs.
I can definitely understand this. I try not to watch movies or read books that are trying to shove wrong ideas (whether they're about religion, politics, or whatever) down my throat.

 
I can definitely understand this. I try not to watch movies or read books that are trying to shove wrong ideas (whether they're about religion, politics, or whatever) down my throat.


I feel like Christians promote their religion through media too. So you would probably not watch a movie, for example, that portrayed Shaolin Monks playing soccer because that could be seen as promoting Buddhism

 
I feel like Christians promote their religion through media too.
I wasn't saying people can't promote their religions. I'm all for freedom of speech and religion. All I was saying was that I personally wouldn't watch a movie where the obvious goal is to push something I don't believe.

for example, that portrayed Shaolin Monks playing soccer because that could be seen as promoting Buddhism
It would depend. 🙂 If the movie were just about their lives and soccer (and it didn't have anything flat-out wrong in it), I wouldn't have much of a problem with it. But if it were just a platform for spreading Buddhism, I would definitely have a problem watching it. 

The thing is, Jesus is the only way to be saved (John 14:6). That means other religions and gods aren't the way to be saved.

 
But if it were just a platform for spreading Buddhism, I would definitely have a problem watching it. 

The thing is, Jesus is the only way to be saved (John 14:6). That means other religions and gods aren't the way to be saved.


But if you never learned about other religions, how could you contrast Christianity with anything else?

 
And this is my problem with people who can’t appreciate new things and say the old stuff is always better. You belong to the here and now not fifty years ago. Let’s face it, life’s much better now than it was back then.
Man, I can't even ... 🤦‍♀️

Nuh-uh.  Just nope.  Back then, even just, like, people and neighborhoods were more decent!  When my dad was growing up, he could ride a bike through his neighborhood, or walk to the candy store.  During my growing up years, I've gotten to experience none of that.  I won't even get started the film/entertainment aspects of the era, but yeah.  People overall were more God-conscious!  There's a reason those times were called "the good old days."

 
But if you never learned about other religions, how could you contrast Christianity with anything else?
I don't have a problem studying other religions so I can know what I'm talking about when I tell a person of that religion about Christianity. But I don't want to immerse myself in false religions (going to their religious services, reading books and watching movies that push their religion). There's enough confusion and lies out there without me giving them an open invitation to my mind. 😄

I have the Truth. I don't need all the lies.

 
Man, I can't even ... 🤦‍♀️

Nuh-uh.  Just nope.  Back then, even just, like, people and neighborhoods were more decent!  When my dad was growing up, he could ride a bike through his neighborhood, or walk to the candy store.  During my growing up years, I've gotten to experience none of that.  I won't even get started the film/entertainment aspects of the era, but yeah.  People overall were more God-conscious!  There's a reason those times were called "the good old days."


Nuh-uh. We have air-conditioning, the Internet, cell phones, 2-day home delivery, more medicines, better quality of life, lower infant mortality rates (excluding abortion rates, which we won’t get into), more convenient travel, need I say more?

 
Nuh-uh. We have air-conditioning, the Internet, cell phones, 2-day home delivery, more medicines, better quality of life, lower infant mortality rates (excluding abortion rates, which we won’t get into), more convenient travel, need I say more?
Nah, we can agree to disagree.  😉 I'd try to argue your points, but I need to go get off this device and go work out. 😂

So uh ... have a good day, man! 👍

 
Oh yeah, I wanted to ask if being Christian makes you more or less squeamish about dark themes and morally dubious things.

Aren’t there plenty of terrible things in the Old Testament?
From a personal perspective, I don't have a moral problem with wrong/dark things, as long as they are portrayed as wrong. There is obviously a line that could be crossed. Christianity--any religion, if it's true religion--is a worldview. So, if you (or anyone) watched a movie/read a book that was advocating Nazi ideas, or even just portraying them in a neutral light, I would think most people would be squeamish. Though, I have no data to back that statement up. Does that make more sense?

 
From a personal perspective, I don't have a moral problem with wrong/dark things, as long as they are portrayed as wrong. There is obviously a line that could be crossed. Christianity--any religion, if it's true religion--is a worldview. So, if you (or anyone) watched a movie/read a book that was advocating Nazi ideas, or even just portraying them in a neutral light, I would think most people would be squeamish. Though, I have no data to back that statement up. Does that make more sense?


Yeah, I know what you mean, but that is apples and oranges different from my original topic which is like Christians being more purist about their media consumption...

like Harry Potter might be the best example, some Christians won’t let their children read it because it contains witchcraft, even though witchcraft is fiction

 
Nuh-uh. We have air-conditioning, the Internet, cell phones, 2-day home delivery, more medicines, better quality of life, lower infant mortality rates (excluding abortion rates, which we won’t get into), more convenient travel, need I say more?
True, we do have better stuff now, but I can't help but agree with @Grey_Skies. The '50s were a lot more modest in dress and beliefs, and it would've been a lot safer to grow up in that era than it is now. Whereas this day and age is a lot more revealing in dress and immersed in a lot more different religions. Then there's all of those missing kids every year...

If I have to be honest, I'd like to travel back to the 50s and grow up there for a couple of years. I think it would be more interesting to see what would've happen with segregation since I'm mixed.

 
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