Writing & Publishing I'm starting to get deluged with stories and publishers that declare their pronouns.

Johne said:
These people need Jesus, and that's my top priority.
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Absolutely.

Johne said:
I'm less concerned with how people wish to be addressed and more concerned that I'm not dismissive and cold.
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It's a really tough line to walk. As Christians, we should be approachable and show love to all people. We're all broken and imperfect and all need God's grace. However, we need to be honest and show truth and integrity, which is exactly the opposite of what the LGBT+ crowd is demanding of us.

To me, using different pronouns than someone's physical sex feels both dishonest and cruel. I feel socially pressured (or more accurately, bullied) to participate in lying to and about someone to reinforce unhealthy delusions. That goes against my conscience and what I know is true and right.

Have you ever noticed the feelings and moral objections of other people involved in these situations aren't tolerated or respected? Rather than a mutual and fair exchange where both parties use the language they're comfortable with, the fact-minded person is pressured and forced to submit to the transvestite's will and preferences. It shows this isn't a matter of respect at all, but rather an attempt to dominate and force the woke worldview.

People struggling with gender dysphoria don't need more lies. What they need is the truth and healing and to accept themselves as the precious person God created.

I also believe there's a strong social contagion aspect to this transvestite fad. Many of these people aren't suffering from gender dysphoria, but rather narcissism or an unhealthy hunger for attention. Many times it could be a mix of all three.

Now, what is the best way to respond to these requests? I honestly don't know. I considered referring to the person by name, but that too is typically deceptive. People suffering from this disorder change their names to something new to match their false identity. But people in general also use nicknames (or pen names) that aren't their given names, and that is perfectly acceptable. Maybe that's the best answer. I'm interested in what everyone else thinks.

This topic is about pronouns, so I'll limit my comments to that. :)
 
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Johne said:
I'm less concerned with how people wish to be addressed and more concerned that I'm not dismissive and cold.
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I'm getting the impression from the things I'm seeing around the musical chairs version of pronouns (and all of the insanity that surrounds it) is that, perhaps, "dismissive and cold" was the one option that was never really tried.

I was hard on my sons, and not without good reason. I saw the trajectory where society was headed. They needed someone who wasn't going to accept this type of nonsense in their life.

And then when they watched the people around them fall into the traps I kept them away from, it only underscored my point. And, man, from some of the stuff they tell me from time to time, it's like those two kids are perpetually in the eye of some bizarro hurricane.

I don't think this is an understanding or acceptance problem - I think it is the wrong type of understanding and acceptance. Something WAY more insidious than what we've seen before. Even if we show them the way to where the air is warm and the skies sunny, it means they now have to move from their warm, snuggly place, and cross a VERY cold and bleak landscape to get there.
 
Rebecca said:
To me, using different pronouns than someone's physical sex feels both dishonest and cruel. I feel socially pressured (or more accurately, bullied) to participate in lying to and about someone to reinforce unhealthy delusions. That goes against my conscience and what I know is true and right.
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I get it. I wrestle with this myself. However, I think the enemy may be using a good thing–our desire for truth–against us to put distance between us and those who are confused and need spiritual help. Jesus said He is the truth. If I have to refer to someone by a false gender and a false name to introduce them to Jesus... Eh. We both know that's not true, but I think it's not up to me to shout them down, it's up to me to lift them up.

It's like my smoking argument–I know that smoking causes cancer, which kills the host. But instead of going after the smoking, I go after the larger issue, that people need Jesus, and that Jesus is the one who saves. It's not my job to save someone from their error, it's my job to love my neighbor as myself. (That doesn't mean I'm going to confirm someone in their error. I don't need to play the 'he/him' game in order to converse someone using pronoun tags.)
 
Johne said:
I'm slowly seeing adoption in my professional circles, but very slowly.
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At the company I used to work for, it happened overnight. HR sent out an email declaring their support and welcoming every employee to put their pronouns in their email signature. It wasn't mandatory, but very few people didn't do it.
 
Jeff Potts said:
The irony of all of this is that those pronouns will only be used when you are referring to the individual in the third person, and not referencing them directly. So, they can declare their pronouns, but you'll never really use them.
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I've thought about that too. I think if you work in the corporate world, it's going to be a very difficult thing especially since people are being punished for it. It seems like the best thing to do is to say as little as possible at work and hide yourself well online.

I think you can try to avoid pronouns but it's going to take a lot of thought and effort and a little more discipline than my ADHD brain can handle. You would also have to do this with everyone so it blends out and they can't say you're singling someone out. If asked I would probably say, "I try to avoid pronoun usage since it's liable to change and I may not be aware," Anyone at any given time could choose new pronouns and how is everyone supposed to know or remember? If they pressed me further I would mention that I have a diagnosis of ADHD and it affects my working memory which is true. That should deter them from asking me further and I would position them into a place where they would be aware that I felt my rights were being affected and that I intended to take it to someone in charge if they continued to press me. Then file a complaint to cover my 6. That strategy may not work for everyone.

Let's say your boss asks if you spoke to Rita about her reports.

You say "Rita says her report is going to be a day late but she expects to have it tomorrow."
you could say "Rita says the report is going to be a day late but expects to have it tomorrow."
 
suspensewriter said:
That's ridiculous,
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Yep. It very much stigmatized those who didn't. I also had a coworker who put "they/them" on the back of her lab coat. This is coming down the line and we as Christians have to figure out how to deal with it. I now work on a freight loading dock, so that's not as likely. My husband works in film, he recently started work on a tv show and as part of orientation, they had to listen to a DEI presentation where they were all encouraged to introduce themselves with their pronouns. It went on and on about how disrespectful and damaging it was to misgender someone and that gender should never be assumed and all that. I've been trying to strategize how to get out of it, but this is going to be a problem for everyone.
 
Rio1064 said:
My husband works in film, he recently started work on a tv show and as part of orientation, they had to listen to a DEI presentation where they were all encouraged to introduce themselves with their pronouns. It went on and on about how disrespectful and damaging it was to misgender someone and that gender should never be assumed and all that. I've been trying to strategize how to get out of it, but this is going to be a problem for everyone.
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By gosh, that just seems so foreign to everything we believe in! I'm at a loss for anything to say. It just seems... sick!
 
Rio1064 said:
you could say "Rita says the report is going to be a day late but expects to have it tomorrow."
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This is what I do. I'm not letting the fad of pronouns get in the way of the fact that I'm still dealing in good faith with real people.

(That article begins by referring to pronoun use as being 'in vogue,' 'the current fashion or style.' I think this is accidentally accurate.)
 
Johne said:
There are times to tell people about Jesus boldly and clearly, and there are other times when it is, perhaps, more effective to demonstrative the love of Jesus than to preach about Him. I lean on the Holy Spirit to suggest which method to use when
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AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!! It is love that draws others to know about Jesus. Reminds me of the quote often attributed to St. Francis of Assisi, though debated, “Preach the gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.” 👍
 
They recently started requiring us to show DEIA support as part of every review where I work. People are encouraged, but not required, to list their pronouns as part of their email signature blocks now, as well (I don't -- my first name is obviously male, so what's the point?).

I also had one former (now-retired) boss here apparently abandon "her" wife and children during their transition to a woman (I'm not sure at exactly what point they got divorced). I knew his wife and children back in the day; it makes me feel particularly sad for them.
 
Rebecca said:
However, we need to be honest and show truth and integrity, which is exactly the opposite of what the LGBT+ crowd is demanding of us.
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So is their sexual identity the only thing you ever talk to anyone about? Can you not find something else to discuss? Is that the way you normally begin a conversation? Is there a chance you could, as Johne suggested, get to know a person first? More than just a 20-minute conversation?
 
Rebecca said:
It shows this isn't a matter of respect at all, but rather an attempt to dominate and force the woke worldview.
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Or maybe an attempt to defend themselves, knowing that they are being judged and condemned. They're not trying to convert you, but you are certainly trying to convert them. Wouldn't you be defensive?
 
carolinamtne said:
Or maybe an attempt to defend themselves, knowing that they are being judged and condemned. They're not trying to convert you, but you are certainly trying to convert them. Wouldn't you be defensive?
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"This is how you will refer to me." This is what someone is saying when they specify their pronouns. I'm sorry, but that doesn't sound to me like someone defending themselves. It sounds to me like someone imposing their warped frickin' views on others.

First - and this is important - no one here actually converts anyone else. God does that. Usually through some sort of intervention - good or bad. You may plant a seed. It's God that makes the seed grow.

Second, and this is something I admonished the pastor for at my previous "church": you're supposed to stand for something. You are supposed to uphold what is right in the world. Sometimes that means NOT capitulating to infantile tantrums by people who think that reality isn't what it is. At what point do you stop bending over backwards trying to show others you don't mean them any harm?

This whole pronoun thing is a blatant attempt to not only sow division, but to pervert social norms AND language. And, as I've seen, when you don't conform, they generally don't take the time to understand your position. They'll hammer YOU into submission by whatever means they have available.

And frankly speaking, looking over the past few decades, it doesn't look to me like we've been converting them. It looks more like they've been converting us. One little issue at a time.

Sorry, but I'm not so willing to bow down to Molech here. And yes, that's EXACTLY what's happening. We bend. It becomes a social norm, and then they push to make us bend more. Our kids bend with us, because WE are supposed to set an example.

God made us Man and Woman. Genesis made that pretty clear. So, I fail to see that standing on that fundamental principle makes us the aggressors here.
 
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