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Happy Sunday from California on this date of March 28, 2021.  I just came across this platform last night and in process of getting my book series together explaining the Scientific nature of the Bible.  So I have a few questions.

 

Are there any authors here who believe that the Bible is a scientific document?  I'd like a section here on this platform dedicated to this subject. 

 

And are there any literary agents anyone knows of with dedicated interest in this subject? 

 

It seems like there is a growing movement now from the scientific community siding with God.  I am blessed from above with what I am trying to present for the record but in order to get it out to the public, will need an Agent for sure.  I can self-publish but too slow to push info out to those sitting on the edge with self-doubts about whether the Bible has any truth.  Thank you.

 

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I think we have a schism in definition of terms. I agree the Bible has a Scientific nature. I don't think it's explicitly a Scientific document. It's clearly a historical and theological document whic

This is not Christianity. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Science is not. It is a tool for us to examine the created world and understand its functions better. If I understan

Hey all,   Can we establish/reestablish some things?   1. Everyone on here at least agrees that whether or not the Bible is a scientific document, it does display scientific truths

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This is a topic of great interest to me. In fact if I glance either direction from where I sit I will see a stack of apologetics books. 🙂 So, I'll offer a few thoughts...

 

I don't think of the Bible as a scientific document. However, there are portions of the Old Testament laws of cleanliness that western medicine didn't catch up to until the 19th century; there are mathematical references way ahead of their time, etc. So I find it undeniable that there is scientific truth in the Bible given some of these items. To be clear, when I say I don't see it as a scientific document, I mean I don't think God gave it to us as a guide to nature. Science and the Bible are not mutually exclusive, and one of the greatest lies of modernism was that the two were not compatible.
 

I haven't sought out literary agents of any kind, so I don't have an answer for what they're looking for. I would just say look at other books similar to what you want to publish and see what they have done. You did mention self-publishing being slow, but I think you've got that backwards. Traditional publishing will probably take years if it ever happens for you at all. Self-publishing you can do whenever your manuscript is ready, you're just responsible for the whole deal yourself (including marketing).

 

There are a lot of scientists siding with God, but I wouldn't say the scientific community as a whole is trending that direction. People like Francis Collins are seen as an aberration in the world of elite scientists. That said, many are coming to realize that none of it works without God. When Antony Flew was asked why at the end of his life he had begun to believe in God, his answer was discoveries like DNA. It just doesn't work without a 'First Cause.'

 

If you're writing an apologetics book, I would say to look at the mountain of existing material and make sure what you have to offer is new or adds something not already in the body of knowledge. I've thought about writing on the subject myself, but the truth is it's a well-worn path and it's rare to see something new. Once in a while you get something like the Jewish astrophysicist Gerald Schroeder's work on general relativity, which is totally mind-blowing, but those are very rare. Or a book like the somewhat recent Mama Bear Apologetics, which was a fresh take on a lot of the old topics. Most of the time it is just another repackaging of what has been covered before.

 

I'd be interested to hear more about what you're up to. God bless you!

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Thank you for the comment.  I am one doubting Thomas and I question everything including the truth about God.  I had to search for my own answers as the 'by faith' was just never enough and explanations were most often did not make sense.  For example, Eve's choice to go after knowledge had been classified as a 'sin'.  But God never did call it that.  I believe that what Eve did was important as it would be through knowledge that man would come to know God better.  That is how it turned out.

 

A lot of Christians think of science as evil, but I see it as a tool for evidence as this was why Eve decided on the route she took.  God archived creation record in story-form as it was appropriate for our past ancestors with limited knowledge to believe by faith. Now with advanced knowledge, science had been providing evidence but its a matter of putting it together to connect the story to the evidence.  For example, I am an advocator of the Big Bang as it explains how long the first day was and it fits the Biblical record.  People overlook Genesis 1: 1 in passing for example also but until we understand that declaration in full, we will always resort to the 'by faith' route.  Nothing wrong with that, but it is for the blessed as Jesus said. 

 

The Bible is a scientific document to me and this will be very interesting if the information can get out to the general public.  I do not have the time for promotion as it will be a book series about creation.  I just want to work as why I very much want an Agent for this purpose.  It is something different as I am not a scientist.  I just put the evidence together and present my case but these points of argument had never been presented publicly before.

 

Did you know that Albert Einstein found the Ark of the Covenant but did not realize it?  Sound loco? That is how different this information is from others presented before and I have the evidence.

 

I am looking forward to getting the info out to the public, but know fur sure when Eve decided to disobey God, there was a scientific reason for it.  Her choice was appropriate as a duty as the Helper.  It was not a decision made in vain, and the evidence had been exposed by our advanced knowledge and the credit goes to Eve.

 

If anyone can recommend a literary Agent, it will be appreciated greatly.  Thank you Chris.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, suspensewriter said:

 

I don't think so, @pale.  I'm seeing a surge of scientists in the opposite direction.

 

Its only because we are not doing our jobs.  LoL. If God is real, they will come to know Him.  

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12 hours ago, pale said:

Are there any authors here who believe that the Bible is a scientific document? 

 

I am not one of them.

 

The Bible is filled with undeniable wisdom, insight, historical information, and so on.  But it won't tell you how to split an atom, or cure cancer.

 

There are those that think the Bible is just a book of fairy tales.  That's just as wrong-headed as well.

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   The Bible is a collection of historical writings along with commentaries. 

   When it comes to combining ancient history with science, it does make the statement:

   "...by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

   "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

    (Colossians 1:16-17)

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Good morning from Cali William.  The Bible as I discover, is much more scientific than previously thought.  The Bible told stories for our past generations to understand and connect to God by faith while awaiting knowledge to advance to the level that enables generations to translate these stories in modern language based on advanced knowledge.  We are at that stage now with lots of scientific evidence that explain these stories. For example, Darwin was not the first to suggest 'survival of the fittest' in evolution.  The Bible told the story of crucifixion thousands of years earlier and it was about survival of the fittest.

 

The theory by Einstein of "energy is neither created nor destroyed, but transform to other forms" was an example of advanced knowledge defining the meaning of a Biblical story and the story was presented by the crucifixion.  Mortal death is not the end, but we all evolve to the next stage.  How we transform to the next stage, depends on our social behavior on Earth.  This is where Darwin steps in with survival of the fittest standard and according to Biblical stories, only the fittest end up in heaven just as Jesus taught.


These are just two simple examples of science explaining Biblical stories for those having difficulties with the 'by faith' system.  I am trying to find a Literary Agent to help spread the information I am putting together as it will help bring more of the lost to God, and strengthen spiritual relationships with the Creator.  T

 

Your response is on point too as I had been working on presenting the evidence to prove God declaration in Genesis 1: 1 that He was the Creator.  And I have the evidence that explains the meaning and how it had been done from the beginning, of God's Omnipresence.  It is beautiful and all glory to Him.  So thank you for a confirmation that I am on the right path.

 

Have a blessed week.

 

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I was going to suggest Master Books to you, @pale, but that isn't going to be something you or they are interested in with the way you take the Bible's "science"! 

If you accept the secular timeline of creation but not its method, Reasons to Believe would be up your alley. Or, if you think secularly about all of science, but add in God as overseer, you might check out Biologos. 

 

Of course, my bias is showing, but I'm going to show it most strongly on this next point.

On 3/29/2021 at 1:20 AM, pale said:

For example, Eve's choice to go after knowledge had been classified as a 'sin'.  But God never did call it that.  I believe that what Eve did was important as it would be through knowledge that man would come to know God better.  That is how it turned out.

What follower of Jesus believes God punished Eve for seeking knowledge? Genesis 3 has been interpreted for millennia by those who reject God as the serpent freeing our first parents from the bondage of ignorance the Creator had held them under. But this is clearly a pagan idea, not the one God presents in his Word. 

Perhaps this discussion of what happened in the Garden with Satan's temptation might clear things up:

https://www.str.org/w/false-ideas-start-in-the-mind-before-they-get-expressed-as-actions 

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4 hours ago, pale said:

How we transform to the next stage, depends on our social behavior on Earth.  This is where Darwin steps in with survival of the fittest standard and according to Biblical stories, only the fittest end up in heaven just as Jesus taught.

The Bible's very clear that God created the world in six literal twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1-2) about 6,000 years ago.

 

The Bible's also very clear we aren't saved by our "social behavior on Earth" or by how fit we are. Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Also, Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

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8 minutes ago, pale said:

Blessed are those who believe by faith but never enough for doubting Thomases like myself.  We search and search! LoL

I struggle with being a doubting Thomas myself. But God's given us the Bible. It's His Word, and it's the truth. My doubts, your doubts, don't change that.

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On 3/29/2021 at 1:24 AM, Jeff Potts said:

 

I am not one of them.

 

The Bible is filled with undeniable wisdom, insight, historical information, and so on.  But it won't tell you how to split an atom, or cure cancer.

 

There are those that think the Bible is just a book of fairy tales.  That's just as wrong-headed as well.

I am strongly convinced the Bible will soon reveal to us "how to split an atom, or cure cancer."

 

In my study of the Bible (which has been going on for several years), I have started to see evidences of scientific knowledge throbbing behind the "fairly tales". Behind all those "old fashioned" rituals, family feuds, wars, miracles, sayings, etc., is hidden natural/ scientific knowledge which the moderns have discovered with great labor over several centuries.

 

The Bible as the mind of God is a scientific book of the highest order. The only thing is that its "scientific" ideas are written in "another language" and await "translation." Once the scientific contents of the Bible are made visible through interpretation, then the world will be left aghast (Is. 33:17-18, 52:13-15). The Church will understand the full implications of words such as these: Col. 2:3; 1 Cor. 2:6-17; Rom. 11:33; Prov. 8:11-21, etc. 

 

Once what the Bible contains becomes revealed, the wise of this world would look foolish. They will see that Somebody had already recorded everything they have become very proud of as their scientific discoveries.

 

Do you understand the FULL implications of Joel 3:4-8 or of Zach. 9:13?

 

A clash is coming for the claim of the honor of first place in the sciences. Who arrived there first - the modern man or the Bible? The Church will demonstrate that the Bible was there first for every bit of scientific discovery/ knowledge. 

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Eve went after knowledge for a reason. My first book is only about Gen 1: 1 but the scientific evidence is overwhelming in support of a designed universe. I am hoping to find an agent soon and if not, it's Kindle most likely and will keep you updated as u sound like u been looking yrself. Thank you.

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12 hours ago, Celebrianne said:

I was going to suggest Master Books to you, @pale, but that isn't going to be something you or they are interested in with the way you take the Bible's "science"! 

If you accept the secular timeline of creation but not its method, Reasons to Believe would be up your alley. Or, if you think secularly about all of science, but add in God as overseer, you might check out Biologos. 

 

Of course, my bias is showing, but I'm going to show it most strongly on this next point.

What follower of Jesus believes God punished Eve for seeking knowledge? Genesis 3 has been interpreted for millennia by those who reject God as the serpent freeing our first parents from the bondage of ignorance the Creator had held them under. But this is clearly a pagan idea, not the one God presents in his Word. 

Perhaps this discussion of what happened in the Garden with Satan's temptation might clear things up:

https://www.str.org/w/false-ideas-start-in-the-mind-before-they-get-expressed-as-actions 

Hi..I read the blog but it's tapioca.. looking for meat... The subject of Eve is crucial to understanding why we are what we are.. but understanding her will have to come thru science.. the Bible told the story but science brings the hard evidence just as Eve planned from the beginning.. 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, pale said:

but understanding her will have to come thru science

This is not Christianity. Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Science is not.

It is a tool for us to examine the created world and understand its functions better.

If I understand the Bible's account through "science" I am no longer a Christian but a scientist filtering a religious text through my "empirical" worldview.

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OK, I'll add my few cents-worth:  I don't believe the Bible to be a science book, but its content is what got science rolling in an effort to explore and answer questions on God's creation.  I'd say, from what little I've been exposed to, that there might be a growing number of scientists getting less shy about their faith.

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On 3/31/2021 at 10:26 AM, pale said:

The Bible as I discover, is much more scientific than previously thought.  The Bible told stories for our past generations to understand and connect to God by faith while awaiting knowledge to advance to the level that enables generations to translate these stories in modern language based on advanced knowledge. 

I think you may be confusing 'scientific' with 'historic.'

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Sorry, that's just not an accurate number.  93% of scientists are atheists.  

 

And to your point that "About the same number of surgeons believe in God" I believe that this answers that:

 

"This suggests that a sizeable number of doctors (about 16%) believe in God but probably not the true and living God that is revealed in the New Testament. Part of this is explained by the fact that 14% of the doctors are Jewish (only 2% of the general population is Jewish, so that is an impressive number), 5% are Hindu (versus less than 1% of the general population) and 3% are Islamic ( versus 1% of the general population."

 

And that's a declared belief in a higher power, not the actual God of the Bible.

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