lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 David Gaughran's Self-editing Explained. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suspensewriter 5,181 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrock 1,616 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Thank Lynn. Excellent article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Oh, good! Haven't had a chance to read it yet. And you're welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 You're welcome, SW! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ky_GirlatHeart 1,231 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I'm reading this currently, and this helpful! Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 You're welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zx1ninja 2,354 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Thanks Lynn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 You're welcome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrock 1,616 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I have read this article a couple of times because I sometimes use the ProWriteAid Thesaurus when tidying up my writing. To be honest, great as it is that the program picks up all the nous, adverts, adjectives, a lot of the time, the subistutes are no use because they would not convey the meaning of the piece. I wondered if anyone else use PWA or another program and has experienced similar issues? How much notice do you take of cutting your adverbs & adjectives? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suspensewriter 5,181 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Not too much, Shamrock. I think that adjective and adverb hunting of purposes of removal is highly overrated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrock 1,616 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Phew ! Thanks. I have gone through the 1st chapter of Hannah and removed some, replaced others which seems to have improved the writing. But you are right, it is a question of being selective. I've just gone through my 1st book - Ragtag Souls, and to my dismay (and annoyance) found that the guy who copy edited (and supposedly proofed it) has missed loads of grammar errors. I know PWA is not great and can be picky, but some issues I now must correct, the guy should have picked up. I am really disappointed. If I can see them, he should have. It may explain why my submissions have got nowhere. Looks like I will have to go through this myself to clean it up. Don't think I will be using him again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suspensewriter 5,181 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 What is most annoying about it is the feature that says, "Perhaps you should use gender inclusive language." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrock 1,616 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Just done chapter 1-3. To be fair they are not as many as it first seemed but I still think he should have picked them up. I was thinking about revisiting the MS to see if I could improve it - seems like a good idea I did check it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carolinamtne 4,496 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Sorry he disappointed you. That's a lot of work going through looking for commas, etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
suspensewriter 5,181 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yes, it certainly is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Celebrianne 63 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Enjoyed the article, @lynnmosher, thanks for sharing. That first point really gets me as an editor. The other day I was working with a 5,100 word article. Just by trimming his verbosity I got it down to 4,800. And I really want to cut at least another 50 but it's a new client so I'm already potentially ticking him off. Long ago Cecil Murphy taught me to "value your reader's time" and it has been one of the most important concepts I keep in mind as a writer. If I'm writing to sound eloquent or because of my needs as a writer I am asking people to waste time they can never get back. Trimming (or explaining) to speed their comprehension is a sign of honor. The commas were hilarious. I read to my kids all the time for schoolwork and markers that help me read with the original sense and emotion are huge helps. Some authors frustrate me because I have to reread lines of dialog because I'd given a radically different performance than the information afterwards finally indicates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmosher 7,651 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 You're welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamrock 1,616 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Question - a lot of the grammar issues that PWA pick up are commas - i.e it tells me there should be a comma after a word but the copy editor did not put it in Who's right? How accurate is the software? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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