Getting a Book Cover

BKHunter

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It's why the plaintiffs are going to lose. Getty Images is going to make a play for it too, because their watermarked images have been scraped and their watermark is showing up in images. The funny thing is, I know it's showing up in pictures they don't own because of running a huge batch of "regulation images" for trying to do a dreambooth model. Because they own so many "editorial photos" the model thinks that it is typical to have that watermark on any image made to look like an "editorial photo" no matter the image. A sign of overtraining apparently
They may lose, but the net effect may be that many artists "opt out" from future models, effectively crippling them unless the technology improves enough to compensate. Apparently, a reduction in the amount of data used for training models 2.0 and above is what hurt their ability to draw people.
 

BKHunter

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Not a lot of time to work on this lately, but here's a recent version. I'm going for a more realistic moon lately and trying to represent a scene at the very end of the book (extra points if you know who the man is). :)

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M. D. Boncher

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Not a lot of time to work on this lately, but here's a recent version. I'm going for a more realistic moon lately and trying to represent a scene at the very end of the book (extra points if you know who the man is). :)

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Your skill has improved dramatically. And probably your models. Make sure to learn about Controlnet and Openpose extensions. If you can install them, do it! It will revolutionize the quality of the work you can put together for you will be able to control the character pose better, layer in the background AND affect the lighting through img2img in a tenth of the time you currently do. All inside the software. It's terrifying and awesome to realize what this software is doing now, and even moreso in a few months. The software capability seems to be following Moore's Law.

Also, for more models, check out www.civitai.com. They now have a license feature icon system so you know what you can do with the models. Many of them now won't let you sell your work which also puts your ability to use the final product in your own IPs in question (a restriction applied after the fact in a real dirtbag maneuver), so be careful what you're using.
 

M. D. Boncher

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Oh I should warn, you might want to steel your eyes when you go on Civitai. There's a flood of porn/hentai based models on there. Good news they offer filter tools you can set and is good at blocking the worst, but still. Even my high tolerance goes "cringy-squick" at some of the things I've seen when I've allowed myself to look at those models.
 

BKHunter

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Your skill has improved dramatically. And probably your models. Make sure to learn about Controlnet and Openpose extensions. If you can install them, do it! It will revolutionize the quality of the work you can put together for you will be able to control the character pose better, layer in the background AND affect the lighting through img2img in a tenth of the time you currently do. All inside the software. It's terrifying and awesome to realize what this software is doing now, and even moreso in a few months. The software capability seems to be following Moore's Law.

Also, for more models, check out www.civitai.com. They now have a license feature icon system so you know what you can do with the models. Many of them now won't let you sell your work which also puts your ability to use the final product in your own IPs in question (a restriction applied after the fact in a real dirtbag maneuver), so be careful what you're using.
Thanks! I read up on the extensions you recommended and they sound great. I'll have to check on how to run them on a Mac.
 

BKHunter

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Oh I should warn, you might want to steel your eyes when you go on Civitai. There's a flood of porn/hentai based models on there. Good news they offer filter tools you can set and is good at blocking the worst, but still. Even my high tolerance goes "cringy-squick" at some of the things I've seen when I've allowed myself to look at those models.
Thanks for the warning! I think most of these models would probably have to be converted to run on a Mac, although I could be wrong.
 

Amosathar

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I haven't read through this entire thread, but hearing your title, the image that appeared in my head was rather more simplistic. A dark, dirty and dingy, water soaked cobblestone street or something similar, a drops of blood and a reflection of the crescent moon in the water. Maybe a shadow on a wall of a weapon or something sinister.
 

BKHunter

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I haven't read through this entire thread, but hearing your title, the image that appeared in my head was rather more simplistic. A dark, dirty and dingy, water soaked cobblestone street or something similar, a drops of blood and a reflection of the crescent moon in the water. Maybe a shadow on a wall of a weapon or something sinister.
Thanks for the comments! The novel is a historical fiction thriller with American ex-pats, set in the deserts of the Middle East; the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam. An earlier version of the cover featured a souk, somewhat similar to what you're describing, but I decided to go with a scene from the book in the end.
 

BKHunter

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Thanks! I read up on the extensions you recommended and they sound great. I'll have to check on how to run them on a Mac.
It looks like I should be able to run at least some of the ControlNet functions fairly easily; I'll check it out tonight.

By the way, I switched to SD model 1.5, which seems to produce more realistic people, and am using simpler prompts, inpainting, multiple iterations, etc. For the scene I'm currently trying to implement, the default SD pose shown above (i.e. the man with lowered hands) is fine.
 

M. D. Boncher

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It looks like I should be able to run at least some of the ControlNet functions fairly easily; I'll check it out tonight.

By the way, I switched to SD model 1.5, which seems to produce more realistic people, and am using simpler prompts, inpainting, multiple iterations, etc. For the scene I'm currently trying to implement, the default SD pose shown above (i.e. the man with lowered hands) is fine.
They say 2.1 is better, but I have not jumped to it yet. So many problems surrounding it. I'll wait till either 2.2+ or 3.0 to come out... if it comes out.
Now, are you ready to see the future of Animation?

The Corridor Crew says it best: we are witnessing the democratization of animation. And now that Blender is putting Stable Diffusion in their software for fast textures, you are maybe months away from text to 3d model. There is no way that's not the next step.
 

BKHunter

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They say 2.1 is better, but I have not jumped to it yet. So many problems surrounding it. I'll wait till either 2.2+ or 3.0 to come out... if it comes out.
Now, are you ready to see the future of Animation?

The Corridor Crew says it best: we are witnessing the democratization of animation. And now that Blender is putting Stable Diffusion in their software for fast textures, you are maybe months away from text to 3d model. There is no way that's not the next step.

This AI-video implementation currently looks rather time consuming. Give it a few months. :)
 

M. D. Boncher

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This AI-video implementation currently looks rather time consuming. Give it a few months. :)
It is, and for a small team of people. I was just showing how far the tech had come in 6 months. :) Even so, I have to start the next book cover real soon. Thanks to the new tools with easypose and controlnet, I should be able to get what I want faster than I did last time and with much more accuracy.
 

EricTAuthor

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Any advice on making (or having someone else make) a book cover? What's the best way to get a decent cover?
I hired a freelancer on Reedsy. I've also used a graphic designer on a freelance site called Upwork and had good success (though that was not for a book.) I've never used Fiverr but that's another freelance site. I had a good experience on Reedsy. I could look at artist's portfolios and pick a few I liked then receive quotes for the work. If you're looking to spend a little less, perhaps you could find a college graphics design program and some students who would do the work to build their portfolio?
One other note - I had my own vision of what I wanted the cover to look like and had some back and forth with the artist so we could arrive at a shared vision and sharpen each other. That seemed to work too. Good luck!
 

M. D. Boncher

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Welp... I knew this was coming. And for those who are concerned about the legality, Adobe addresses that right up front, though I don't think any artist will be quite so happy about it as they think if previous compensation for content is any indicator. I've got highly mixed emotions on this new tool that is going into beta as we speak, but I also think that Adobe's going to be playing catch up for quite a while.
 

BKHunter

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Welp... I knew this was coming. And for those who are concerned about the legality, Adobe addresses that right up front, though I don't think any artist will be quite so happy about it as they think if previous compensation for content is any indicator. I've got highly mixed emotions on this new tool that is going into beta as we speak, but I also think that Adobe's going to be playing catch up for quite a while.

Interesting, but it doesn't look as advanced as the new version of Midjourney, etc. Btw, Facebook is also apparently coming out with AI graphics software in the near future, if not already.
 
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