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Jeff Pate
08-18-2008, 01:15 PM
True Spiritual Warfare

I write this article under the assumption that the reader understands the foundational truths of how God’s kingdom works as the Lord taught in His parable of the sower and the seed (Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8). One of the greatest passages in the Bible describes this truth… from Joshua 1:8: This book of the law shall not depart out of your mouth, but you shall meditate therein day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written therein. For then you shall make your way prosperous, and then you shall have good success.

Creation came from God’s word. Salvation came from God’s word. Faith came from God’s word. Healing came from God’s word. Peace, joy, deliverance, and all the fruit of the Spirit came from God’s word. Everything that has ever existed has come from God’s word—words that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Therefore, if you’re lacking in any of the promises of God, the solution isn’t to “pray about it,” but to go to God’s word and plant the seeds that will produce these things in your life. After you’ve planted seeds, then your prayer and meditation function as fertilizer to the seeds. You may want to stop here and read my teaching “Prayer in the Absence of Truth” (http://www.bovministries.net/Prayer_In_Absence_of_Truth.html)if you haven’t read it yet.

God has designed His word to bring life and accomplish His thoughts of good to bring us an expected result as the Bible says, So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

Therefore, the “formula” for prosperity and success in the kingdom of God is to take the incorruptible seed of God’s word and like a farmer, plant the seed in your heart, meditating on its truths day and night, so that it would not depart from your mouth, and that you would do all that is written therein. Like the farmer expects that his seeds will produce, you too must expect God’s word to produce good things in your life. This is faith.

The Word Becomes Flesh
[I]While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. [Genesis 8:22]

Because God is just and holy, and all his works are righteous (Psalm 145:17), He adheres to His own laws concerning His influence in the world. God spoke the seed of His word and the earth was created; and with Jesus, we know that He was the Word [that] was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth. [John 1:14]

All the prophecies of the Old Testament concerning Jesus were seeds spoken by God (through prophets) into the earth (to people), culminating with the word spoken through the angel Gabriel to the virgin Mary. The seed (sperma) for Jesus’ birth was in the world, but a person could only be conceived in the womb of a woman. Therefore, Mary’s words, Behold the handmaiden of the Lord, be it unto me according to your word, [Luke 1:38] granted consent for the conception of the Son of God in her womb. Jesus was the word made flesh, and everything in this world adheres to the same principle: it begins as a thought, then is spoken or communicated as a word and it becomes flesh or alive. This is an absolute truth and cannot be bypassed.

So then, we understand that EVERYTHING in this world comes from the seed of words. In fact, the Bible says, Death and life are in the power of tongue, and they who love it will eat the fruit thereof. [Proverbs 18:11]

Jesus said, The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. [John 6:63]

Words are spiritual in the sense that not only are they of the “invisible realm” (you cannot see words—even written words are only symbols or pictures of what words mean) but they can bring forth death and life. God’s words bring forth life to them that find them (Proverbs 4:22) and death to them who resist them through unbelief (John 3:18; Hebrews 4:2).

But have we understood that since God has established the world in this way—that our enemies must also abide by these same laws? (And I don’t say “laws” referring to standards of conduct or rules of behavior, but “laws” that are absolute truths that never change and are indestructible.) God dispatches His word into the hearts and minds of people to give them life. The Bible says, He sent his word and healed them and delivered them from all their destructions. [Psalm 107:20]

Likewise, Satan our enemy also sends words, which bring life and death, but his words are intended to bring “life” to that which causes death, and “death” to God’s life (John 10:10). For example, cancer is death, but it is a virus and is alive. Therefore, cancer is alive, but brings forth death, and the same is true with the words of our enemy.

Herein is a great truth—the truth I want to share with you because while hopefully most of us (although having yet to grasp it completely) understand the laws of seed time and harvest with respect to God’s word in order for it to be prosperous in our lives, I believe we have not been taught how these same laws apply to our enemy’s strategies against us—and that this is the reason his weapons of death are prospering against us.

The truth of spiritual warfare does not exist against principalities, demons, and devils themselves, but against the words that they form against us. While much of the church teaches that spiritual warfare is waged in the heavens, through prayer and intercession against demonic principalities and strongholds, we see from the Word of God that this is not so, which is why we are seeing so much defeat in the lives of God’s people. Most are defeated NOT because of ignorance of the war, but are defeated for lack of knowledge about the defensive and offensive weapons with which to engage in combat. Additionally, we are not meeting our enemy on the same playing field. While we are fighting somewhere in the spirit realm, the enemy ambushes us in the realm of thoughts and words. Therefore, the true battlefield is located right between our ears.

The Common Defense
People familiar with sports have probably heard this quote, “The best offense is a good defense.” While this may be occasionally true, I believe the word of God teaches that in order to be successful we must have both a good offense and defense.

Concerning our warfare as Christians, I believe that one of the most over-quoted and least understood verses of the Bible comes from Isaiah 54:17 that says, No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their righteousness is of me, says the LORD.

Okay, I want you to ponder the verse from Isaiah 54:17 for a minute… think about what God is saying and compare it to the lives of many of the servants of the LORD. Isn’t it obvious that weapons like sin, sickness, untimely death, depression, fear, discouragement, unbelief, and wickedness are prospering against the servants of the LORD?

I’ve observed that most people quote the first statement No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper alone, believing this will occur if you believe it or confess it enough. Certainly exercising faith and confession is helpful, but God has given us instructions on how to cultivate this truth and make it effective in our lives.

Now hold onto your hats and stay with me because I’m about to drop a bomb on you. By itself the statement No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper is NOT TRUE. The statement is a TRUTH (because God spoke it) but it is NOT TRUE because by itself, it is not complete. There is a difference between TRUTH and what is TRUE.

For example, it’s TRUE that the Jews believed Jesus had a devil, but it wasn’t the TRUTH. Do you see what I mean? The Bible says that God is the TRUTH, but also that we must let God be true [Romans 3:4] in order for His truth to benefit us.

I’ll give you another example. The Bible says that Jesus is the Savior of all men and is not willing that any should perish [TRUTH from 1 Timothy 4:10 and 2 Peter 3:9], but are all men saved? The Bible also says that By his stripes you were healed [TRUTH from 1 Peter 2:24] but is everyone healed? We see that in spite of God’s word being truth, His word is not coming to pass to the extent He desires. Weapons ARE CERTAINLY prospering against the servants of the LORD. Why is this?

Weapons are prospering against God’s servants because we are not doing what the Word of God says. The statement No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper alone is NOT true. However, the Lord did not make this statement without elaborating how we can accomplish and be successful in protecting against the enemy’s weapons from prospering against us. Again, since God can only use His Word to benefit and prosper us, then the only weapons that Satan can use against us are WORDS. And this is what the Scripture from Isaiah 54:17 is teaching us.

I’m going to digress for a minute because I want you also to think about the nature of a seed… Jesus said, Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone. But if it dies, it brings forth much fruit. [John 12:24]

A seed needs a place of conception—a container in which to first activate the life in it, and then grow and be prosperous. A seed by itself, without being planted in the ground will remain a seed. However, once the seed is planted in the ground, elements in the ground activate the life in the seed to produce what the seed is intended to produce.

Let us consider the statement No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper to be a seed of God intended to bring forth (give birth to) this truth—that NO weapon of the enemy shall prosper against you. However, the life in this seed cannot be activated and grow without a womb, which is contained in the heart and mind of a person. However, we know by observation that in spite of a person’s faith and confession of this truth, that it isn’t as much a reality as it should (or could) be, and even more so for those who don’t believe this to be so.

The reason weapons are prospering against us is because we are allowing them to be conceived in us. Yes, some may believe that no weapon that is formed against you shall prosper, but by itself, it’s like believing that a birth control pill or condom will prevent a woman from getting pregnant. The only way to positively assure that a woman does not get pregnant is to simply not have sexual intercourse with a man. Thus, the only way to prevent conception is to avoid the act that produces conception. While we understand this (at least we should) in the natural, we should also apply this in the spiritual. Words are to life and death, as sperm is to conceiving a child.

Before I continue teaching the rest of the passage, I would like to suggest that we see and read the verse from Isaiah 54:17 another way. If we understand that every gift from God is delivered through righteousness, I believe that by re-ordering this passage we would see how God’s statement about righteousness could come first, and then everything else would spring from this revelation. If you haven’t read my teaching on Righteousness (http://www.bovministries.net/Righteousness.html), I would suggest that you do so.

I know I may lose some of you here, but I ask you to bear with me because I believe this teaching will help you immensely. Think about the math property that says if 3 + 4 = 7, then 4 + 3 also = 7, and conversely, 7 = 4 + 3. Just because the order is different, it neither changes the meaning nor the results.

Here’s how I would order this verse: “This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their righteousness is of me, says the LORD. No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper (because) every tongue (or word) that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn.”

Do you see how righteousness is our foundation—our inheritance? The Bible says that Jesus was made sin for us that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him (2 Corinthians 5:21). It is because we have God’s righteousness that we can be successful in this war. As you will see that much of our enemy’s attacks against us involve our conduct, accusing us of being unworthy due to our actions. This is why a revelation of God’s righteousness—that we have—is vital to being confident in using the weapons God has provided us—Words.

Our stance first is therefore upon the truth of the righteousness that we have—not because of our actions, but because of what Jesus has done. If you’re not absolutely convinced that you are righteous in the sight of God through Jesus, then the devil’s weapons will prosper against you, because you will agree with his assessment of your conduct, and submit to his accusations. The Christian is not worthy of his own accord to receive any promise of God, but when he rests and stands upon the truth of God’s righteousness, the entire kingdom of God is at his disposal.

We remember what the Lord said to Joshua about prosperity and success—that it came from taking the Word of God, and meditating therein day and night, that you may observe to do according to all that is written therein (Joshua 1:8). From its appearance, this passage suggests that by simply having a good “offense” of pouring the Word into your heart will result in success and prosperity. Is our defense missing from this passage?

Absolutely not—it’s not missing, but it is hidden within the passage to mean that by having the absolute truths of God’s word always in your mouth, and by pondering these truths daily, it will result in you doing all of the word of God, which results in having a good defense as well. Therefore, we can conclude that having a good offense in this case will produce a good defense. In fact, Jesus used the written word of God to defend himself against the temptations of the devil.

Let’s compare my rendering of this passage to what the Bible says concerning the weapons of our warfare (or how we fight our enemy) in 2 Corinthians 10:3-6: For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty to the pulling down of strongholds, casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; and having a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Before this recent revelation, I never included verse 6 with this teaching on our warfare, believing that disobedience and obedience had something to do with a standard of conduct. However, when the Lord showed me that this verse parallels what He spoke through Isaiah, I got excited. The weapons that we use against the enemy’s weapons have more to do with you having a readiness to revenge or condemn ALL THINGS that are disobedient to what God’s word teaches, and this readiness will come when you have been obedient to Joshua 1:8 concerning the word of God.

If we look closely at what this passage is saying, we would discover that the expected result of our warfare is to the pulling down of strongholds, which infers that something already exists in the realm of our thinking that is keeping us in bondage or preventing us from walking in victory. Strongholds are exactly what the word implies—a strong hold upon the way you think and consequently in the way you live because the Scripture says, As he thinks in his heart, so is he. [Proverbs 23:7]

Part 2 to follow later...

Mona
08-18-2008, 08:55 PM
Jeff,

What you have written is very deep and very articulate. I am not a professional teacher of writing, but from my years of reading, this is good. You do have a grasp on basic functions of the spirit realm. Satan knows how the spirit realm works, just as you said. Not that he invented it but he was created into it. It is my sort of soap box to drive home to people the importance of reading and studying the Word. There is so much wisdom and knowledge therein and we will not learn it from the things outside the Holy Spirit, not the righteous things anyway. One can never trust the teachings of anything outside the Holy Spirit.

Blessings,

Mona

Phy
08-18-2008, 11:00 PM
I see a lot of discussion of prosperity in there. I'm wary.

Jeff Pate
08-19-2008, 07:17 PM
Hi Phy,

Why would you be cautious of the most foundational principle in the kingdom of God and Creation? Prosperity simply means growth, increase, to flourish.

The kingdom of God is a kingdom of increase or profit. Let us remember that it was the servants who were prosperous with their talents that the Lord said, "Well done, you good and faithful servant." and the one who did not prosper with his talent was called "slothful and wicked" being stripped of his talent and cast out into darkness (Matthew 25:14-30).

Jesus said, I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. [John 10:10] This certainly refers to prosperity...

Jesus also said that if we abide in Him, then we SHALL bring forth much fruit. [John 15:5] Therefore, if a person is not prospering in and for the kingdom of God, then perhaps they are NOT abiding in Him.

The whole of creation is built upon prosperity--growth and increase. How would we ever become who we are if we didn't grow? The Bible says for us to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. [2 Peter 3:18]

Our growth and prosperity gives the Lord glory as the Lord said, Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit, so shall you be my disciples. [John 15:8]

Again, the Lord says that bearing fruit is a sign of being His disciple (abiding in Him).

If you're against prosperity, then I hope that you never accept a promotion or pay increase at work because this is exactly what prosperity is.

Just because others abuse the word "prosperity" with a "get what you can and hold on to what you get" mentality doesn't mean the teaching of God's prosperity in mind, body, and spirit as we abide in Him isn't TRUTH.

Phy
08-20-2008, 12:16 AM
Hi Phy,

Why would you be cautious of the most foundational principle in the kingdom of God and Creation? Prosperity simply means growth, increase, to flourish

Hi, Jeff,
I'm wary because a focus on prosperity seems to me to be putting the emPHAsis on the wrong sylLAble.

Yes, those who abide in the Lord and are obedient are eligible for blessing. I am well familiar with the concept of prospering through blessing, but the increase comes as a result of obedience when we keep our eyes on Jesus. It is a gift from God we accept with gratitude, not a perk to be expected. My concern comes when we are tempted to start doing things out of a desire for prosperity instead of out of a desire to obey.

Furthermore, if Solomon is to be believed, there are different seasons to our lives, seasons that a sovereign God allows. If I mention Job, what will you remember more, the long lifetime of prosperity or the relatively short season of suffering? And yet God worked through both seasons.

The kingdom of God is a kingdom of increase or profit. Let us remember that it was the servants who were prosperous with their talents that the Lord said, "Well done, you good and faithful servant." and the one who did not prosper with his talent was called "slothful and wicked" being stripped of his talent and cast out into darkness (Matthew 25:14-30).

Nod. But their motivations weren't prosperity, their motivations were obedience. And scripture and history are rife with examples of obedient believers who experienced suffering instead of prosperity, and yet that was accorded to them as righteousness and as maturity. Jesus' goals have always been on saving souls, not ease, not prosperity.

Jesus said, I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. [John 10:10] This certainly refers to prosperity...

lol. What I get out of that is a deeper walk with Jesus, not anything related to mere wealth.

Jesus also said that if we abide in Him, then we SHALL bring forth much fruit. [John 15:5] Therefore, if a person is not prospering in and for the kingdom of God, then perhaps they are NOT abiding in Him.

The whole of creation is built upon prosperity--growth and increase. How would we ever become who we are if we didn't grow? The Bible says for us to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and forever. [2 Peter 3:18]

Our growth and prosperity gives the Lord glory as the Lord said, Herein is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit, so shall you be my disciples. [John 15:8]

Again, the Lord says that bearing fruit is a sign of being His disciple (abiding in Him).

But what fruit? I think of the bounty of the fisherman, which is souls. We also have the fruit of the Spirit, which is spiritual in nature, not prosperity per se.

If you're against prosperity, then I hope that you never accept a promotion or pay increase at work because this is exactly what prosperity is.

I am neither for or against prosperity. I like it, but it's not the focus of anything I do. Instead, my focus is obedience, abiding in the vine.

I've been a technical writer for eight years, and was a contractor for the past three years. That's one of those feast / famine things. When I was working, I was paid very well for what I did. However, gigs were typically between three and six months in duration, and I made nothing while lining up the next gig. The time between work tested my faith. As a man, it is a real temptation to fall into the trap of thinking that my identity is dictated by what I do instead of who I am, whom I serve. It is cliche but as a man of belief, I am a son of God, a joint heir with Christ, who happens to write, and not a technical writer who is a son of God. You see what I mean? I am to have one goal - to be the person God created me to be - with everything else relegated to a Godly desire. That way, if something happens that is in any way outside of my primary goal, I willfully release it back to God and give it up to Him. Otherwise, I am frustrated, irritated, defeated.

I lost my job once and was devastated emotionally, spiritually, physically, psychologically, and financially. It changed my career, my path in life, the way I saw myself, the way I thought my wife and kids and friends saw me, as a loser rather than a hero. Turns out, I was neither.

So there I was the day after losing my job. I got up and got everybody off to work and school, and found myself sitting at my dining room table with nothing to do. I was uprooted, listless, lifeless, hopeless. I picked up a Bible because it seemed the thing to do and I opened to Matthew 6. It changed my life, and I am often reminded about how God changed my perspective that day about putting my faith in Him and trusting Him to take care of my needs. Prosperity isn't the focus here, obedience is, willfully placing ourselves at risk in the palm of God's hand, and trusting Him to take care of us.

Jeff, Matthew 6 strikes me as the polar opposite of a prosperity gospel. As I read it, it is about service of a sort performed out of love and obedience to God without regard for the eyes of men, in fact, service whose heart and motivation is revealed to God alone and concealed from the eyes of men. It is about a mindset of worship to God alone hidden from the regard of man. It is about both being needy and about meeting needs. It is about putting our faith and trust solely in God through Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit, depending on God to meet our needs so we can meet the needs of others. And when the passage talks about treasure, it speaks in terms of not having an eye toward prosperity on earth, but in heaven.

It seems to me that the passage comes to the logical conclusion not to worry about our needs -- or, for that matter, our prosperity -- because God will meet our needs as he does the birds of the air and the flowers of the field. Furthermore, it says that the pagans chase after these things. We are specifically told to keep our eyes on God: Matt 6:33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. In this passage, God promises to take care of our needs. That's not

No, what I am wary of is anything, /anything/, that moves Christ off His throne. I do believe that workmen are worthy of their hire, and that obedience members of the Body are positioned for blessing.[/QUOTE]

Here's what my marching orders are: as a disciple of Jesus Christ, I concentrate on the Great Commandment and the Great Commission. I concentrate on obedience. And I'm prepared to embrace the difficult reality that suffering is not only promised in Scripture, but was modeled by Christ and demonstrated in the lives and experiences of all the apostles and disciples in the New Testament. The doctrine of suffering isn't nearly as sexy or as exciting as a prosperity message. I accept both suffering and prosperity as a natural byproduct part of the life of a mature believer, however, I chase after neither.

I believe more in the principle of blessing as a byproduct of obedience rather than prosperity per se. Likewise, I believe we weren't called to happiness, but to peace and joy in Jesus Christ. Just as the Holy Spirit grants peace and joy to obedient believers even in the midst of difficult times, so also do I see a strong emphasis on the Lord working through suffering and weakness to achieve His ends.

So, yes, Jeff, I'm wary of any gospel that places an emphasis on prosperity when my reading of scripture seems to reveal a much more prevalent history of God working through the suffering of the saints to reach the lost.

Xenia
08-20-2008, 09:24 AM
Jesus also said that if we abide in Him, then we SHALL bring forth much fruit. [John 15:5] Therefore, if a person is not prospering in and for the kingdom of God, then perhaps they are NOT abiding in Him.

Would you say that John the Baptist was not abiding then?

lynnmosher
08-20-2008, 10:05 AM
Jeff, I'm sorry for the inconvenience I've caused you. I was concentrating so hard on my new responsibilities as moderator in CW that I neglected to see that this was in 4B. I deeply apologize. So discuss away...

Derby
08-26-2008, 05:08 AM
Jeff

I find your comments about what comes from the mouth of God very edifying, there is such power there -

Creation
Salvation
Faith
Healing
The fruit of the Spirit.

And your statement is challenging -

'If you’re not absolutely convinced that you are righteous in the sight of God through Jesus, then the devil’s weapons will prosper against you'

2 Corinthians 5.21 'God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God'.

I haven't looked at your two teaching documents that you give links for.

I mainly use the NIV where Isaiah 54.17 is rendered 'and this is their vindication from me, declares the Lord'. The KJV says 'and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord'. I read that the hebrew word can mean 'righteousness' or 'justice'.

You don't seem to have replied to Xenia 'Would you say that John the Baptist was not abiding?'. Perhaps it is covered in your other thread on John the Baptist.

Thanks for your post.

Jeff Pate
08-26-2008, 11:55 AM
Thanks, Derby. This revelation about True Spiritual Warfare--that it is a war of words--is one of THE most important revelations I have ever received from the Lord.

Every, and I mean every facet of our relationship and reconciliation with God (eternal life) hinges upon our knowledge, understanding, and revelation of righteousness, as this is what the Lord led Paul to pray for the Ephesians...

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the father of glory may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation IN the knowledge of him... [Ephesians 1:17]

The enemy's work through people doesn't question God's ability to make a person's life better, but rather he questions God's WILLINGNESS to release His power on a person's behalf, simply because we know in our own hearts that we are not worthy in and of ourselves (by our own actions and thoughts). Although, the enemy does question whether God actually meant what He said in His Word--THE BIGGEST LIE EVER: "God didn't mean it like that..."

The enemy would say, "Yes, God CAN heal you, but He's not going to because you haven't prayed enough, or you haven't gone to church enough, or you haven't paid your tithes, or you don't witness enough, or you're still struggling with a sin in your life," or whatever the reason is... the emphasis of the enemy is on our own righteousness, which makes us condemned.

Most Christians walk in rampant condemnation, and let me elaborate on what condemnation is. Not only is condemnation a death sentence or negative judgment, but more importantly condemnation is the rendering of a person or thing to be unfit for use or habitation. I think over in the UK you use the word "derelict" to describe a building that is unsuitable for habitation, while we here in the U.S. use "condemned." When a person is condemned, he feels unfit for use or unworthy for God's benefits because his conscience is condemning him. The enemy does what he does all the time, and try to use the Word of God against us, to keep us down.

So then, There is therefore (or because of Christ, we delight in the law of God after the inner man--Romans 7:22-25) now NO condemnation (or rendering unfit for use) to them who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh (or according to their own righteousness) but after the Spirit (according to the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus). For the law of the Spirit of life has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, CONDEMNED SIN in the flesh (of His Son) that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [Romans 8:1-4]

Because God condemned sin in the flesh of His Son, we have now been judged to have fulfilled ALL the law (true righteousness) and consequently, are entitled by promise to ALL the blessings of keeping ALL the law (Deuteronomy 28).

However, because of religion and failure to renew our minds to these truths, our own hearts won't allow us to accept it. Our consciences should have been purged from dead works to serve the living God (Hebrews 9:14; 10:2; Proverbs 16:6). Therefore, we should have NO MORE conscience (or consciousness) of sin. In other words, we should NOT be sin conscious, but righteousness conscious, because being sin conscious puts our focus on sin instead of Jesus.

Having our focus on sin will always draw us into the actions of sin, which is what the OT law was intended to do in order to bring us to Christ (Romans 7). One cannot "do" anything without having thought about it previously. A man just doesn't "fall into" committing adultery. He has pondered and allowed it to have place in his mind and heart for a time and when he actually puts it to action, it's much like when a baby is born (James 1:14-15). Also read a teaching of the Lord from Luke 11:34-36 where He talks about what a person is focused upon--his eye--and to be careful that what he believes to be light may actually be darkness.

One reason people are so blatantly sin conscious is because this is the predominate message of most churches. Sin should be preached, but ALWAYS in the context of how Jesus had completely dealt with sin (condemned it in the flesh when He took the sins of the world upon Himself) and that now we should awake to righteousness and sin not [1 Corinthians 15:34] because when we sin, we open the door to the enemy and death in our lives. So, we should not sin first because we are dead to sin through Jesus--we have a new nature, and secondly, because when we yield to sin, we are yielding to its death (Romans 6). In this, we exalt the finished work of Jesus Christ instead of sin and its destruction. People may accuse me, "You're making light of sin." But I say, "But you're making light of Jesus."

The Word of God tells us what we should do with our consciences or hearts when it condemns us: Hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart condemns us not, the we have confidence IN GOD (and His righteousness). [1 John 3:19-21]

Note that if our heart does not condemn us, this does not say that we are doing everything right, but that our confidence is in God--in what Jesus did for us, and this is how we know we are of the truth and should assure our hearts.

Let us remember that part of the Holy Spirit's ministry is to convict or convince us of RIGHTEOUSNESS. Most people conclude that He is sent to "nail" you over every sin, but Jesus said that it would be only the sin of unbelief or not trusting fully in Jesus that the Spirit would convict us of (John 16:7-16).

Oh, how many people have misinterpreted these passages! We always hear of people testifying how God convicted them of their smoking or drinking or fornicating, but have you ever heard anyone testify that God convicted them of being righteous?

Jesus knew this teaching would be perverted, which is why first of all He said, Nevertheless, it is expedient (or better for you) for you that I go away, for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come to you, but if I depart, I will send him to you.

And then, the Lord said what the Comforter (I know your NIV says 'Counselor') would convict us of: of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. Then, because He knew what He said would be misinterpreted to mean that God would convict us of our sin, and then tell us how "unrighteous" we are, and then that the judgment of God is upon us, He elaborated on it.

The Lord then explained what He meant, so we need no scholar, theologian, or pastor to interpret it for us:

Of sin because they believe not on me. Of righteousness because I go to my Father and you see me no more. Of judgment because the prince of this world is judged.

Jesus always encouraged His disciples of righteousness. Of course He corrected them, but you do not see Him telling them that they are unrighteous--other than referring to Judas Iscariot. He is the exception and NOT the rule, and whether he was truly in the fold is a topic for another discussion I suppose. The genesis of all sin is failing to trust completely in God.

Instead, the Spirit says something like this, "The reason you lie and gossip all the time is because you don't trust that I am on your side, that I will work things out for you. But, I want to assure you that you are still righteous--not because of your actions, but because of what Jesus did to make you righteous. Now, tell the 'prince of this world' that HE is the one who has been judged, and not you."

The Lord was saying, "Since I'm going to the Father, I'm sending you another Comforter just like me--that's what "another" means, and that His ministry will be "better for you". Oh, how this has been lost! That the Holy Spirit's ministry is BETTER FOR US than the earthly ministry of Jesus Himself. Sadly, especially when applied to healing, most Christians believe the Holy Spirit's ministry is worse than the ministry of Jesus.

When we are convinced that we are righteous because of Jesus--that we are not only counted righteous, but are made righteous, and we allow the Spirit to comfort and assure us in righteousness and we assure ourselves when our conscience condemns us, then, we can begin to see the truth that No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper because in righteousness we will be the ones who condemn or render unfit the words that are spoken against us that are in conflict with what the Word of God says. We will be in readiness to avenge all words that are disobedient to the Word of God.

These are great truths...

Phy
08-26-2008, 11:59 AM
I wish I had the gift of brevity. ;)

Jeff Pate
08-26-2008, 12:05 PM
Funny... ;) My gift of "brevity" isn't very well accepted in this forum, and in our fast-paced, microwave, busy society. That... was at least brief, huh? lol

Phy
08-26-2008, 12:33 PM
Brevity is the quality of expressing much in few words. It displays both self-restraint on the part of the author and an appreciation of the time of the reader. I know writers who masters of brevity. I wish I was, myself. It's something I'm working on.

The virtue of brevity is not only about the sheer quantity of words, it is also about their organization.

Here in forums, interminable posts with no obvious topic breaks are hard to read. It's not societal, at least not for me. It's about comprehension and clarity and simple consideration for your audience.

Organizing sections
As a writer with a lot to say, if you don't want to lose readers, I recommend spending a little more time on organizing your written thoughts in such a way that your readers can easily follow along. You do this to an extent already with conventions like basic punctuation and paragraph breaks. It is just one more step to giving appropriate paragraph headings to sections to set them apart. In fact, you've done that in an early post in this thread, and it was effective (at least for me).

It may be that you're cutting and pasting whole swaths of stuff from elsewhere where such organization already exists. I'm not suggesting that you write less, simply that you write with enough appropriate organization so that readers have a fighting chance to know what you're trying to tell them. As it is, I'm skipping over large chunks of your stuff because, frankly, instead of confining your remarks to single points and smaller posts, you're giving us a crash course on your distinct theology. It's not a method all that terribly effective in forums.

Lookin^Up
08-28-2008, 03:43 PM
I want you also to think about the nature of a seed… Jesus said, Except a grain of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone. But if it dies, it brings forth much fruit. [John 12:24]
I completely agree with what Phy said. "Bearing fruit" is a much broader concept than you're making it. There are the Fruit of the Spirit, and the fruits of our labors, i.e. witnessing to others and drawing them toward God. Job, Lazarus, and most of the common folk in Jesus' experience did not have massive wealth--and certainly Jesus Himself did not--so I don't see how you can hold to such an interpretation.

Even the word "blessing" does not always connote monetary gain; ever hear of a "blessing in disguise"? The tough times we go through, while not pleasant, are blessings of a different sort, allowing us to identify with someone later who's going through the same thing. That's part of the aforementioned witnessing, which is very good in the long run.

Jeff Pate
08-28-2008, 04:17 PM
I don't see how you can draw such a conclusion that I am teaching about monetary wealth, rather than waging the war of words so that the enemy's attacks against us will not prosper. You hear the word "prosperity" and then become blinded to what I am teaching because you may have a prejudice against the word because of its misuse among some in the church. Perhaps if you took the time to read all four parts you would see.

Our prosperity, while it includes promises of provision for all our needs and an abundance to help others, involves the entirety of salvation, which includes being prosperous in love, joy, peace, faith, kindness, health, patience, self-control, and being fruitful in every good work as the Lord Jesus was in that everywhere He went He ministered the good news that set captives free.

And yes, health is a promise of God and byproduct of our relationship with Him, as He has provided healing for ALL sickness and disease through Jesus' atonement: who forgives ALL your iniquities, who heals ALL your diseases... [Psalm 103:3]

The Greek word for salvation is sōtēria and is defined as: "rescue or safety (physically or morally):—deliver, health, salvation, save, saving." [from Strong's Concordance]

The purpose of this teaching therefore, is to educate on how powerful words are: God's Words, the enemy's words spoken through the media and people, and our words. This is True Spiritual Warfare.

Phy
08-28-2008, 11:15 PM
I don't see how you can draw such a conclusion that I am teaching about monetary wealth...

Perhaps because of things like this:
Jesus said, I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. [John 10:10] This certainly refers to prosperity...

I completely agree with what Phy said. "Bearing fruit" is a much broader concept than you're making it.

I think the basic arguments have been made, and made again.

And from one wordsmith to another, when you write 'teaching,' the more appropriate word is 'opinion.' You are not a teacher, here, and we am not your students. You're a member in these forums, as we all are.

That is all.