Mans Revelation or Jesus Revelation

[chris overy]

In the world today, we are taught that there is a school for everything and without it we can do nothing to support our families. Even in the churches we are taught that without going to learn from man in seminary schools, that we are not real with Christ. this teaching is never taught straight out of the mouth of people. But the teachings are still there, through the actions of man.

The problem with these teachings are that there are a lot of lies and revelation of man rather than from the Lord. Take for instance the complete context of the chapter by verse studies. You can always tell the people that went to seminary school by this study. They hardly ever want to study the word of god by subject and they really hate it when other verses from other books are brought into it. They are taught that by reading 1 whole chapter they have complete context.

We for get that the words that were written were not separated by chapter or by verse. It was just one long and continual sentence. it was the group of catholics that broke the bible down into books chapter and verse. The problem with this was the catholic church at that time was not even started by the authority of Christ. But by the authority of man to gain power in the world after the fall of the Roman Empire. The only reason that they even got together to print the bible was because someone had left the church to print the truth.

I believe that the words of the bible are the truth and gods word. We know that gods word is perfect and has no error in it. But i believe that the way that it is divided is where the problem lies. We have over 20,000 different gospel teachings in the world today and of these 20,000 there is only one that is completely true, and that is the revelation we receive from Lord Jesus while we study the word of God and lean on him for the truth. There is nothing in the word of God about going to any school and receiving a piece of paper to tell people that we have learned the word from men.

So what does the Bible truly state. Here are a few scriptures from the Word of God.

2 Timothy 2:15- Study to show thyselves approved unto God, a workman that needed not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

1. This verse states to study to show ourselves approved to God not to man with a piece of paper stating that we learned from man.

2. Rightly dividing the word of truth, why would the bible have this written in it? Because the Bible in a whole is all together. Just because it was written by the Holy Spirit through many people, does not mean that any chapter or verse truly stands alone. it doesn't. There are always other passages through out all of the Bible that talk bout the same subject.

Galatians 1:11-12- But i certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12. For i neither received it of man, neither was i taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Here, Paul points out that the word was not taught to him by man but by Jesus Christ. Do any of us dare say that Jesus will not teach us the truth of the word through his spirit who dwells in us, if in fact the holy spirit does dwell in us then our true learning comes from him. Not from man.

He did not have any teachers or a piece of paper to preach or to know the word of God.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itchy ears;
4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

This is a scary verse. Especially in today's world where everyone goes to school to become a preacher and to believe every word that comes out of mans mouth concerning the gospel. They take mans teaching as if he were God. This is a very scary situation. It could be the difference in heaven and in hell.

The scripture that is being put on here next is straight out of the mouth of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 5:39- Search the scriptures; for in them ye think that ye have eternal life: and these are those that testify of me.

Jesus even warns us of people that many believe that they are saved through the schools and what not that they got their little piece of paper from. Ladies and gentlemen this is a very serious matter for the souls of all mankind. We are not save by the scriptures but by our faith in Jesus Christ our lord and savior.

Test the spirit of those preaching to you. The Bible says to respect authority it does not say that authority is always right. In the church or out of the church.

Your brother in Christ,
Chris Overy

[lynnmosher]

I've only scanned this so I think I agree. However, this is not on the subject of writing and so belongs on the 4believers site where Chrisitanity, church, spirituality, etc., can be posted and discussed. I'm sure one of the moderators will move this. My powers as a moderator only work in 4b so I cannot move it for you. Will try to read this more thoroughly later.

[jacks girl]

Now this is in the right section.

thanks dr rita

[DrRita]

Yep, this wasn't a CW writers lounge subject. Here you will get the proper exposure Chris.

[chris overy]

alright. i did think about putting it there but decided not to. thank you.

[Xenia]

The problem with these teachings are that there are a lot of lies and revelation of man rather than from the Lord. Take for instance the complete context of the chapter by verse studies. You can always tell the people that went to seminary school by this study. They hardly ever want to study the word of god by subject and they really hate it when other verses from other books are brought into it. They are taught that by reading 1 whole chapter they have complete context.Chris, I think you are casting too wide of a net. Can you be a bit more specific. What schools? Who are they? What lies?
As written, I cannot agree with what you have said because I know of too may exceptions.

[chris overy]

well lets take the root of baptism. now i am not sure where his teaching of it originated from. here are the three main teachings of water baptism and hey are all false.

1. baptism is a public showing of your faith. how do we know that this was false? there are accounts in the book of acts that people got baptized with them and the one that was baptizing them.

2. it is the key to salvation. we know this is false because jesus states that those that believe and are baptized shall be saved. but if they do not believe they are condemned already. he also states those who believe on him are saved but those that do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed on the name of gods only begotten son. there fore we are saved by grace.

3. baptism is to join our denomination. this is never stated or even close to being stated in the word of god anywhere. the only purpose that is given as to why we get water baptized for the remission of sins. this after accepting the gospel and repenting of our sins.

this is only one thing that is taught as a lie in the churches.

[Xenia]

well lets take the root of baptism. now i am not sure where his teaching of it originated from. here are the three main teachings of water baptism and hey are all false.I agree that there is some definite error in much of what you've posted about baptism. We are not saved by baptism. It's also not a means of joining a denomination! At my church there is no "joining"... we are born (again) into the family of God (His church).

It sounds like you are speaking about someone specific in your posts. If you are attending somewhere that teaches falsely then I hope you will search out a better church home.

Blessings...

[Lookin^Up]

I'm a little disturbed that you're calling these lies within certain churches when they could be simple misinterpretations. The original word translated "baptize" means "to immerse," and while I don't know how churches who practice sprinkling can justify their position, it is basically playing God to say they are false because of it.

I agree that the water in baptism is powerless to save. Some churches teach that it's a prerequisite for salvation, but that lets out the thief who went to Paradise straight from the cross. That doesn't make sense. And what about others who confess their sins on their deathbeds? I cannot believe God would stand on ceremony in those cases. No, baptism is nothing more than a public demonstration or witness of what God has already done, the spiritual burying of the old self and the birth of the new self at salvation.

[chris overy]

this is the difference between mans wisdom and gods. there is no interpretation of the word of god. we know only the word of god through revelation of jesus christ. like i stated if it is public recognition then there are a whole lot of contridictions through out the book of acts.

it is an act of obedience not proof of anything. the word of god states that the proof is in the works we do through faith. this is the problem that i see. people seem to believe that if it is found in the book of romans then it has nothing to do with what is written in 1 peter or 1 corinthians or john.

[Xenia]

Very hard to follow what you are saying... sorry.

[chris overy]

xania, you are doing fine. from what i see your church is teaching the truth.

these are the teachings of many churches and pastors in the world today. about 80%. this is why it is so hard to see. because we like sheep want to follow the popular, accepted crowd. this is where the devil plants his wires to trip us up. our want of acceptance above all else can be dangerous. we find true acceptance in our lord jesus. but we long for and we crave the companionship .