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Merry
06-17-2008, 11:47 AM
http://www.strangehorizons.com/guidelines/fiction-common.shtml


I was looking for a market for my story, 'On Suing the Undertaker During an Election Year' and I thought these guys looked like a pretty good fit. Anyway, they do kindly include in their submission guidelines, this list of plots they are sick of seeing. (Thankfully, mine doesn't show up in there.) But I thought it was a good list and thought I'd share.


Here's the list:

1. Person is (metaphorically) at point A, wants to be at point B. Looks at point B, says "I want to be at point B." Walks to point B, encountering no meaningful obstacles or difficulties. The end. (A.k.a. the linear plot.)
2. Creative person is having trouble creating.
1. Writer has writer's block.
2. Painter can't seem to paint anything good.
3. Sculptor can't seem to sculpt anything good.
4. Creative person's work is reviled by critics who don't understand how brilliant it is.
5. Creative person meets a muse (either one of the nine classical Muses or a more individual muse) and interacts with them, usually by keeping them captive.
3. Visitor to alien planet ignores information about local rules, inadvertantly violates them, is punished.
1. New diplomat arrives on alien planet, ignores anthropologist's attempts to explain local rules, is punished.
4. Weird things happen, but it turns out they're not real.
1. In the end, it turns out it was all a dream.
2. In the end, it turns out it was all in virtual reality.
3. In the end, it turns out the protagonist is insane.
4. In the end, it turns out the protagonist is writing a novel and the events we've seen are part of the novel.
5. An A.I. gets loose on the Net despite the computer it was on not being connected to the Net.
1. An A.I. gets loose on the Net but the author doesn't have a clear concept of what it means for software to be "loose on the Net." (Hint: the Net is currently a collection of individual computers, not some kind of big ubercomputer; software doesn't currently run in the wires between computers.)
6. The future is soulless.
1. In the future, all learning is electronic, until kid is exposed to ancient wisdom in the form of a book.
2. In the future, everything is electronic, until kid is exposed to ancient wisdom in the form of a wise old person who's lived a non-electronic life.
7. Protagonist is a bad person. (We don't object to this in a story; we merely object to it being the main point of the plot.)
1. Bad person is told they'll get the reward that they "deserve," which ends up being something bad.
2. Terrorists (especially Osama bin Laden) discover that horrible things happen to them in the afterlife (or otherwise get their comeuppance).
3. Protagonist is portrayed as really awful, but that portrayal is merely a setup for the ending, in which they see the error of their ways and are redeemed. (But reading about the awfulness is so awful that we never get to the end to see the redemption.)
8. A place is described, with no plot or characters.
9. A "surprise" twist ending occurs. (Note that we do like endings that we didn't expect, as long as they derive naturally from character action. But note, too, that we've seen a lot of twist endings, and we find most of them to be pretty predictable, even the ones not on this list.)
1. The characters' actions are described in a way meant to fool the reader into thinking they're humans, but in the end it turns out they're not humans, as would have been obvious to anyone looking at them.
2. Creatures are described as "vermin" or "pests" or "monsters," but in the end it turns out they're humans.
3. The author conceals some essential piece of information from the reader that would be obvious if the reader were present at the scene, and then suddenly reveals that information at the end of the story. (This can be done well, but rarely is.)
4. Person is floating in a formless void; in the end, they're born.
5. Person uses time travel to achieve some particular result, but in the end something unexpected happens that thwarts their plan.
6. The main point of the story is for the author to metaphorically tell the reader, "Ha, ha, I tricked you! You thought one thing was going on, but it was really something else! You sure are dumb!"
7. A mysteriously-named Event is about to happen ("Today was the day Jimmy would have to report for The Procedure"), but the nature of the Event isn't revealed until the end of the story, when it turns out to involve death or other unpleasantness. (Several classic sf stories use this approach, which is one reason we're tired of seeing it. Another reason is that we can usually guess the twist well ahead of time, which makes the mysteriousness annoying.)
8. In the future, an official government permit is required in order to do some particular ordinary thing, but the specific thing a permit is required for isn't (usually) revealed until the end of the story.
10. Someone calls technical support; wacky hijinx ensue.
1. Someone calls technical support for a magical item.
2. Someone calls technical support for a piece of advanced technology.
3. The title of the story is 1-800-SOMETHING-CUTE.
11. Scientist uses himself or herself as test subject.
12. Evil unethical doctor performs medical experiments on unsuspecting patient.
13. Office life turns out to be soul-deadening, literally or metaphorically.
14. In the future, criminals are punished much more harshly than they are today.
1. In the future, the punishment always fits the crime.
2. The author is apparently unaware of the American constitutional amendment prohibiting cruel and unusual punishment, and so postulates that in the future, American punishment will be extra-cruel in some unusual way.
15. White protagonist is given wise and mystical advice by Holy Simple Native Folk.
16. Story is based in whole or part on a D&D game or world.
1. A party of D&D characters (usually including a fighter, a magic-user, and a thief, one of whom is a half-elf and one a dwarf) enters a dungeon (or the wilderness, or a town, or a tavern) and fights monsters (usually including orcs).
2. Story is the origin story of a D&D character, culminating in their hooking up with a party of adventurers.
3. A group of real-world humans who like roleplaying find themselves transported to D&D world.
17. An alien observes and comments on the peculiar habits of humans, for allegedly comic effect.
1. The alien is fluent in English and completely familiar with various English idioms, but is completely unfamiliar with human biology and/or with such concepts as sex or violence and/or with certain specific extremely common English words (such as "cat").
2. The alien takes everything literally.
3. Instead of an alien, it's people in the future commenting on the ridiculous things (usually including internal combustion engines) that people used to use in the unenlightened past.
18. Space travel is wonderful and will solve all our problems. (We agree that space travel is pretty cool, but we'd rather that weren't the whole point of the story.)
19. Man has an awful, shrewish wife; in the end he gets revenge on her, by (for example) killing her or leaving her.
1. Man is entirely blameless, innocent, mild-mannered, and unobjectionable, and he kills his awful, shrewish wife entirely by accident, possibly in self-defense, so it's okay.
20. Some characters are in favor of immersive VR, while others are opposed to it because it's not natural; they spend most of the story's length rehashing common arguments on both sides. (Full disclosure: one of our editors once wrote a story like this. It hasn't found a publisher yet, for some reason.)
21. Person A tells a story to person B (or to a room full of people) about person C.
1. In the end, it turns out that person B is really person C (or from the same organization).
2. In the end, it turns out that person A is really person C (or has the same goals).
3. In the end, there's some other ironic but predictable twist that would cast the whole story in a different light if the reader hadn't guessed the ending early on.
22. People whose politics are different from the author's are shown to be stupid, insane, or evil, usually through satire, sarcasm, stereotyping, and wild exaggeration.
1. In the future, the US or the world is ruled by politically correct liberals, leading to awful things (usually including loss of freedom of speech).
2. In the future, the US or the world is ruled by fascist conservatives, leading to awful things (usually including loss of freedom of speech).
23. Superpowered narrator claims that superhero stories never address the mundane problems that superheroes would run into in the real world.
24. A princess has been raped or molested by her father (or stepfather), the king.
25. Someone comes up with a great medical or technological breakthrough, but it turns out that it has unforeseen world-devastating consequences. (Again, this is a perfectly good plot element, but we're not thrilled when it's the whole point of the story.)
26. It's immediately obvious to the reader that a mysterious character is from the future, but the other characters (usually including the protagonist) can't figure it out.
27. Someone takes revenge for the wrongs done to them.
1. Protagonist is put through heavy-handed humiliation after humiliation, and takes it meekly, until the end when he or she murders someone.
28. The narrator and/or male characters in the story are bewildered about women, believing them to conform to any of the standard stereotypes about women: that they're mysterious, wacky, confusing, unpredictable, changeable, temptresses, etc.
29. Strange and mysterious things keep happening. And keep happening. And keep happening. For over half the story. Relentlessly. Without even a hint of explanation.
1. The protagonist is surrounded by people who know the explanation but refuse to give it.
30. Hell and Heaven are run like businesses.
31. Brutal violence against women is depicted in loving detail, often in a story that's ostensibly about violence against women being bad.
1. Man is forced by circumstances or magic to rape a woman even though he really doesn't want to, honest.
2. The main reason for the main female character to be in the story, and to be female, is so that she can be raped.
32. Evil people hook the protagonist on an addictive substance and then start raising the price, ruining the protagonist's life.
33. Fatness is used as a signal of evil, dissolution, and/or moral decay, usually with the unspoken assumption that it's completely obvious that fat people are immoral and disgusting.
1. Someone wants to kill someone else, and that's perfectly reasonable because, after all, the victim-to-be is fat.
2. The story spends a lot of time describing, over and over, just how fat a character is, and how awful that is.
3. Physical contact with a fat person is understood to be obviously revolting.
34. Protagonist agrees to go along with a plan or action despite not having enough information about it, and despite their worries that the thing will be bad. Then the thing turns out to be bad after all.
35. Teen's family doesn't understand them.

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DrRita
06-17-2008, 12:22 PM
Wow Merry, thanks for posting this. I'm gonna print it for future What If ideas!!

Rebecca
06-17-2008, 12:37 PM
I got a kick out of this. Thanks for posting it! :)

Rebecca

Timber Wolf
06-17-2008, 12:40 PM
There go several of my story ideas. :D
Just Kidding:D

Mouse5
06-17-2008, 01:04 PM
Wow!! That is a long list, but very informative. Thanks, Merry. :)

Katharine
06-17-2008, 03:39 PM
There go several of my story ideas. :D
Just Kidding:D

I'm with TW. Too bad there's nothing new under the sun. On the other hand, come to think of it, I don't write sci-fi or fantasy. Maybe my stuff's okay after all!?:rolleyes:

tlm
06-17-2008, 04:06 PM
LOL. I have read and watched enough sci-fi to be able to think of several examples of each of these.

Merry
06-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Yeah, aint it the truth? I loved the one about the aliens that speak perfect English but don't get any of our idioms.

Y'know what? it might be fun to write satire where you roll all of these up into one awful, been-there-done-that-before fest. LOL!

righter1
06-17-2008, 04:16 PM
I kept reading with baited breath to see some element of my sci-fi story on here... thankfully, I did not. Though one of them came sort-of semi-close... But, when I thought about it, not really.

ekovax
06-17-2008, 04:55 PM
Wow! Safe by a whisker. My book is entitled "1-877-SOMETHING-CUTE". You had me worried there for a moment!

Thebigguy
06-17-2008, 07:12 PM
Yeah, aint it the truth? I loved the one about the aliens that speak perfect English but don't get any of our idioms.

Y'know what? it might be fun to write satire where you roll all of these up into one awful, been-there-done-that-before fest. LOL!

Merry the thought had crossed my mind too! But who would read it ?(Probably not an editior.

Merry
06-17-2008, 08:29 PM
Or would they...? Look at all the comedies out there that just a compendium of cliche's. hehehe...'Airplane' comes to mind.

I can see it now...sweeping screen play titled: Spaceship!

Okay, here goes: set in the future far enough so that everybody rides around in spaceships, right?

The MC is a once budding writer who has lost his muse and things got so bad he wa forced to take a job flying a space freighter to support himself and his teen age daughter whom he doesn't understand.

For some mysterious reason his boss contacts him and says he has to fly through the Wrong Way Black Hole, MC decides his boss is just too cheap to pay toll for any of the other tunnels in the solar system, so he dives in.

The freighter has a rocky trip and crashes on this planet where, with the help of a half-dwarf, a thief and some guy named Chip the MC gets his bearings. Turns out he is on a planet of evil fat guys who are preparing for some thing called THE EVENT . They have to do it because their religion, which is run like a business, demands it.

Well...you get the idea...that could be some quite silly fun.

Zanzibar
06-17-2008, 10:23 PM
Wow! That's a long list of plots they are tired of seeing! Wonder how many times of seeing the same plot it took to make them tired of it? Imagine then how many gazillions of stories they have read!

Makes me tired just thinking about it. :)

Storygirl
06-17-2008, 11:59 PM
Makes me tired too! Also makes me realize just how many people are out there trying to get their stories published. Average writing quality and plots just won't cut it when trying to get your name out...

kshsj777
06-18-2008, 12:23 AM
Most of these I would never even dream of coming up with for a story. I think none of my stories are like these.

Lookin^Up
06-18-2008, 03:50 AM
I can see it now...sweeping screen play titled: Spaceship!

Okay, here goes: set in the future far enough so that everybody rides around in spaceships, right?

The MC is a once budding writer who has lost his muse and things got so bad he wa forced to take a job flying a space freighter to support himself and his teen age daughter whom he doesn't understand.

For some mysterious reason his boss contacts him and says he has to fly through the Wrong Way Black Hole, MC decides his boss is just too cheap to pay toll for any of the other tunnels in the solar system, so he dives in.

The freighter has a rocky trip and crashes on this planet where, with the help of a half-dwarf, a thief and some guy named Chip the MC gets his bearings. Turns out he is on a planet of evil fat guys who are preparing for some thing called THE EVENT . They have to do it because their religion, which is run like a business, demands it.

Well...you get the idea...that could be some quite silly fun.
ROFLOL! Where's that rolly guy from the chat room? Merry, you are a riot! Go ahead, write it. It'll probably be a hit.

I noticed many of them were (roughly) "This is okay as a plot point, but not as the point of the whole story." I recognized Quantum Leap, several Star Trek episodes, and most of Dr. Who in that list.

I made sure I downloaded it.

paulchernoch
06-18-2008, 10:43 AM
You've got a hit, Merry.

Several of the items say they are alright so long as they are not the only point of the story. Thankfully, my story is so full of themes and subplots that I am exempt!

* Protagonist is portrayed as really awful, but that portrayal is merely a setup for the ending, in which they see the error of their ways and are redeemed. (But reading about the awfulness is so awful that we never get to the end to see the redemption.) My nasty MC doesn't get redeemed until book three, and it does not occur anywhere near the ending. Whew!

* Evil unethical doctor performs medical experiments on unsuspecting patient. What else is an evil doctor to do? Yeah, I've got this one in my WIP, but it's a minor plot point.

* People whose politics are different from the author's are shown to be stupid, insane, or evil, usually through satire, sarcasm, stereotyping, and wild exaggeration. I love Gulliver's Travels. Isn't this the whole point behind political speculative fiction?

* Strange and mysterious things keep happening. And keep happening. And keep happening. For over half the story. Relentlessly. Without even a hint of explanation. I believe this describes A. E. van Vogt to a T, and he was a master of sci-fi. Although, by the end of each story, it all makes sense.

* Hell and Heaven are run like businesses. How else would they be run? This comes perilously close to describing my story if you include Purgatory. I've tried researching competing titles for my proposals and never once found a story with this premise. Anyone know of any off the top?

* Someone comes up with a great medical or technological breakthrough, but it turns out that it has unforeseen world-devastating consequences. (Again, this is a perfectly good plot element, but we're not thrilled when it's the whole point of the story.) In my case, the villain is trying to create a mind-control drug and is thwarted, but the drug has unintended GOOD consequences, and people sue the government for the right to get a prescription, allowing the villain to paint his efforts as benevolent!

I wonder if I can squeeze a few more of these plot ideas into my novel?

- Paul

tlm
06-18-2008, 02:35 PM
Yeah, aint it the truth? I loved the one about the aliens that speak perfect English but don't get any of our idioms.

Y'know what? it might be fun to write satire where you roll all of these up into one awful, been-there-done-that-before fest. LOL!

Dr. Rita, I think we have a new screenplay project for you.

* Hell and Heaven are run like businesses. How else would they be run? This comes perilously close to describing my story if you include Purgatory. I've tried researching competing titles for my proposals and never once found a story with this premise. Anyone know of any off the top?

I believe I read something in a college anthology with a plot like that, but can't really remember.

Some of these remind me of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, but that does prove that it's been done before.

tlm
06-18-2008, 10:33 PM
BTW, weren't all of these used on the TV series lost?

Just joking all you Losties.:rolleyes:

Zanzibar
06-19-2008, 01:49 PM
Hey Now! No bashing of LOST allowed. LOL... :D

Merry
06-19-2008, 02:51 PM
No wonder they got lost.

Lookin^Up
06-19-2008, 11:18 PM
I just thought of another TV series that fits much of the list. Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. It was interesting in some respects, but also quite lame in others and full of fluff and nonsense.

Merry
06-19-2008, 11:47 PM
Lol! You know who did a really great job of incorporating that show into a satire? south Park. Man, if it weren't for their language Christians would love that show. I can only take it in small doses my self. But that show was all about Cartman accidentally going forward in time where the atheists have taken over the planet and gotten rid of all religion. But, unlike the Utopia Richard Dawkins (who shows up earlier in the episode) predicted would happen under an all atheist rule, they divide up into different clans of atheists who spend all their time trying to kill each off...and then of course there's the gang of much evolved, super intelligent sea -otters, who are also atheists. The show makes evolution and atheism look really dumb. n the middle of this Cartman is the wonder-boy from the past who will come save them all. Doesn't quite happen.

Warrior 4 Jesus
06-20-2008, 12:02 AM
Sounds great.
I don't think the language is the only problem with South Park. It often blasphemes God, and has lots of disturbing sexual references.
The violence and language is the least of our worries.
I know South Park is satire but still you can go to far with extreme content can't you?

Merry
06-20-2008, 02:21 AM
Yup, there is an unknown factoid about those guys that must remain unknown, but yeah...even though a lot of their motives are, believe it or not, good, they go way over the top. I think its from being Colorado natives and not getting enough oxygen growing up...all that high altitide, y'know?

Warrior 4 Jesus
06-20-2008, 02:45 AM
Ha, ha. Nice.

Timber Wolf
06-20-2008, 01:49 PM
I just thought of another TV series that fits much of the list. Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. It was interesting in some respects, but also quite lame in others and full of fluff and nonsense.

HEY

Yup, there is an unknown factoid about those guys that must remain unknown, but yeah...even though a lot of their motives are, believe it or not, good, they go way over the top. I think its from being Colorado natives and not getting enough oxygen growing up...all that high altitide, y'know?


Now, now, Rachel is from CO.
I think it's simply because they are gross people

roseydow
06-20-2008, 02:03 PM
While it is true that there are dozens of cliched plots, finding a twist or spin will still keep the story in play. There is actually a book out called 45 Master Plots for writers to use as springboards for their storylines.

Solomon said that there's nothing new under the sun and he was right. What is really new is the slant we take when we rework the old standards.

(BTW, I do love that title "1-877-Something-Cute")

Rosey

Michael Scott
06-21-2008, 01:38 PM
Couldn't we add to the list something along the lines of:

It's the end times. Bad things start happening just like in Revelation, but everyone is too stupid to read the book and figure out what happens next, or that the bad guy reads it, ignores the fact that it has a bad ending for him, and keeps trying to thwart God out of sheer spite.

MC figures out (usually from some dramatic BAD thing happening that - gosh! is just like it is predicted in the Book of Revelation!) that he should repent - gives his heart to Christ - is instantly transformed into a decent human being, and goes about opposing the Beast/AntiChrist, even though he's likely a nobody from somewhere in the Midwest posing absolutely no threat to anyone except for his faith.

Can we just get rid of books like that? Please? I mean, even the ones that are already published?

tlm
06-22-2008, 07:04 PM
Can we just get rid of books like that? Please? I mean, even the ones that are already published?

Been quite a few books and movies done along that topic, though--at the time--I did enjoy the Left Behind soundtrack.

Storygirl
06-22-2008, 10:18 PM
Been quite a few books and movies done along that topic, though--at the time--I did enjoy the Left Behind soundtrack.

I never did read the Left Behind books for adults...just the kids books. The "he said" "she said" throughout them all was EXHAUSTING. However, I DID enjoy the radio dramas based on the books. I thought they were better, though some of the acting wasn't very good. And I agree with roseydow...if a writer is good enough, he/she can turn ANY overused plot into something new, fresh, and original. All the same, I'm glad my writing doesn't fall into the categories Merry listed...in fact, now I think I'm a little paranoid...