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Xenia
06-17-2008, 07:47 AM
I found this article interesting...


FOOTPRINTS OF A PROPHET OR
TRACKS OF A WOLF?


I am writing the "inconvenient truth" today. I have been blitzed with e-mails about the Todd Bentley "revival" in Florida. Before you fall for his stories and "signs and wonders," please allow me to make some comments. I realize this will not be received well by many.

This is a Charismatic happening called the "third wave." The "first wave" was Toronto, and it fizzled out. The "second wave" was Pensacola, and it had the same fate. Now Bentley has brought in the "third wave," and folks are coming from around the world for the "anointing." Even the Charisma Magazine editor Lee Grady says -- sounding a warning -- "My inbox has been full of messages from Charismatic leaders who are concerned about everything from Bentley's tattoos and body piercings to his claim that he once interviewed the apostle Paul in Heaven. When I called for scrutiny of some aspects of the Lakeland Revival, I was labeled a Pharisee and a 'religious policeman.' I had suddenly become the enemy."

Who is Todd Bentley? He is an ex-Satanist, a pierced and tattooed signs and wonders guy, and a man who gets messages from angels, particularly one named Emma. He does not open the Bible and preach. When he is "under the anointing" he can cause tumors to "explode," he says. The Holy Spirit told him to kick a lady in the face with his biker boot so he did so. If he tries to deal with someone he thinks might be demonized, he gets nothing short of violent, virtually choking a man he is trying to exorcise. He also gets violent when he uses the word "bam."

As Mike Oppenheimer from Let us Reason says, "Instead of people getting saved, they are getting lost--by listening to a man's experiences of the supernatural that are unbiblical and untrue."

Oppenheimer continues, "This revival has all the spiritual sensations and activities of the other revivals combined: Roaring, groaning, burning sensations in the body, head, and stomach; shaking, jerking, spiritual drunkenness and uncontrollable laughter and then some new manifestations. People have their eyes rolled back in the back of their heads. There are reports of women gyrating and pulsating like they've been ravaged from behind by some unseen force. Holy or un-holy may still be debated by some but to those of us who are knowledgeable of the previous 'revivals' and the power of the occult, the jury is in. The source is not the God of the Bible. This may disturb some but if they will use their Bible, pray, and think it through, they will gain discernment and spiritual understanding."
The shakes, jerks, twitching, frozen stillness, laughter, animal sounds, and more have all been standard in other "revivals." The Florida Revival is nothing new but it is preying on young and new believers who do not know their Bibles. It is also preying on the desperate: Sick people who can find no medical help.

Critic Jacob Prasch says, "The crowds following Bentley are seen being overcome by ugly spirits of drunkenness and stupor. It reflects the faulty theology of those in 'the river' movement popularized by the so-called 'Toronto Blessing.' Song lyrics reflect Kingdom-Now visions of the church taking over all the elements of society and setting up a kingdom on earth before the Lord returns which the Bible contradicts."

Todd himself talks about the mad chaos--totally uncharacteristic of God. He says, "During a visitation, the pastor's wife got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost. She began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her."

The research site "Lighthouse Trails Research Project" reports that, "The following information will show Bentley's spiritual resonance with a man named Sundar Singh (1829-1929). At one point in Bentley's ministry, he had a vision of Sundar Singh. This vision influenced Bentley. According to the biographer of Singh, Singh spent much of his life in deep trance-like states communicating with spiritual beings." Through this he saw the "glories" of the spirit world. He combined East and West in his meditative disciplines. He had long hours of meditation and days of silence.

Bentley talks about himself being possessed by demons, undergoing a deliverance, his past Satanic worship, his mother levitating, and demons writing 666 on his cupboard in his kitchen. http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/tsk.gif

It is hard to tell the difference between the words of Bentley and those of Satan! Todd says: "You see, I want to be fruitful; I want to be far above. I want to be a conqueror; I want to be a mountain of strength; I want to be greatness. You know, we like that word greatness. Well, he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High automatically comes into everything that the Almighty is. It happens." Sounds like Isaiah 14:12 - 14 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Isaiah+14%3A12) to me.

Angelology plays a large role here. He talks to an angel named Emma and he says, "So when I need a financial breakthrough, I don't just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: 'Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.'" http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/tsk.gif

As reported by Jacob Prasch, "Bentley refers to his angel as 'the angel of the Lord' and also waits upon Emma for the signs and wonders to manifest. However, according to Bible scholars, the term 'the angel of the Lord' is an Old Testament reference to the pre-incarnate Christ, also called a Theophany. It seems that Emma is really overstepping her bounds to be referred to as 'the angel of the Lord.'" She is most likely a demon.

Bentley and his close friend, the exposed false prophet Paul Cain, look to disgraced "prophet" William Branham. Pentecostal pastor Bill Randles says, "The only problem was Branham's teaching. He had a few quirks, such as his belief that the doctrine of the Trinity was of the devil, his belief that the zodiac was as valid as the Word of God, and his unfortunate belief that he was the angel of the Church of Laodicea! When he died in a head-on auto crash in 1965, his followers were so obsessed with his 'works of power,' they delayed burying him for several months, hoping that he would be resurrected the following Easter! He was that GREAT!"

We are warned in the Bible that the devil will "transform himself into an angel of light," and that in the last days will come "lying signs and wonders" that will deceive, if possible, the very elect" (II Thess. 2:9 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Thess.+2%3A9)). Doesn't the Bible tell us that the devil is capable of the supposed "miracles" at the Bentley meetings? Tragically, many pastors are having hands laid on them to receive this "Florida anointing" and further spread this chaos.

So what started April 2, 2008, at Ignited Church in Lakeland, Florida, is now spreading everywhere. With today's death of discernment, guys like Bentley flourish and prosper. We are in a season of weak gospel-preaching as well. This longing for the signs and wonders of one man is but paving the way for the "man of sin," the "lawless one," the Antichrist. What many believe is the anointing of the Holy Spirit is really nothing but "kundalini power" which in sanskrit means coiled as a snake.http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/tsk.gifhttp://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/tsk.gif You can watch Todd exercising that power at the above link. You can learn much more in Caryl Matrisciana's brilliant film, "Yoga Uncoiled" as well as her film "Supernatural Powers" which deals with God's angels and fallen angels. You can also learn more about "kundalini power" at this link.:http://endtimesdeception.com/?p=515

It says in II Timothy 3 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=2+Timothy+3) that in the last days evil will wax worse and worse with men seducing, deceiving, and being deceived. Todd Bentley is a deceiver who is himself deceived. He will likely stand before the Lord some day and say, "But Lord, I did this all in Your Name." But he is exercising serpent-power, not Holy Spirit power.

Pray for Todd and the legions following him and believing every word out of his mouth. Pray that their eyes would be opened before they are further spiritually damaged. We are not trying to demonize Todd; rather, we hope to protect some sheep, which our pastors should be doing but many are not.

(NOTE: If you have dial-up connection, you may not be able to access the YouTube clips. Please do not get angry with me if you cannot hear Todd Bentley indict himself on YouTube. Borrow a friend's high-speed computer to hear the truth.)

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Tamera
06-17-2008, 12:22 PM
Some of this article may very well be true. But I also know that every revival in history has been attacked by well meaning zealots. I heard all the critisisms (sp) of the Brownsville Revival in the 80's.

Then I went to a Children's conference where the children's pastor of Brownsville spoke. God moved. I was under such a heavy presence of the Holy Spirit that I was literally weeping and gyrating on the floor. I could not get up. As far as whether or not this was God, IT WAS GOD. I have never been the same in my Christian walk, and try as I might, I can't get away from what God did in me that day.

That was the second revival I was in. The first one was at a church I began attending when I was 13. I wasn't saved and was about as far away from God as you could get. ie: occult, abusive family, etc. This was during the hippie Jesus Freak movement that everyone critizised. I went to Ravenna Assembly of God where the Ravenna Miracle Revival was in full swing. I was saved, sanctified, and Spirit filled during that revival that others condemned, and received a doctrinal foundation that still guides me today.

So I reserve judgement on the Lakeland Revival. Are there abuses? Probably. But that doesn't mean it's not of God. That happens in every revival include The Great Awakening which was also condemned by spiritual leaders of the time.

I would rather wait and see how people's lives are changed then find myself going against a true move of God.

jacks girl
06-17-2008, 01:10 PM
i watched one of his tv shows and though his tattos look ugly and he seemed a little strange looking. I heard nothing from him that day to show me he wasn't doing good. I don't know the man, nor do I plan on running off to Flordia to join his revival but for those that do may be they will get filled with the Holy Ghost.

I've seen people lying on the floor shaking and moving about, and seen them fall out in the spirit and dance about their bodies doing things that seemed strange. Some people think anything that they are not used to is wrong. May be some of the things in the articles are right and may be not. But i'm going to have to see something really bad before I speak against anything and say it is not of God.

That is my 2 cents.

Xenia
06-17-2008, 02:24 PM
I know that my mom, who is very reserved went to a meeting once and she was slain in the spirit. She said it was a wonderful feeling. I am not passing any type of judgment yet but I did want to hear your opinions on what the article was saying... I don't know. I know his tattoos and all that don't bother me a bit and I think God can move anyway He wants to :)
Interesting.

Gravity
06-17-2008, 02:36 PM
Agreed with the other posters. I know zip about Todd Bentley (first time I ever heard of him was a couple months ago), but I DO know there are a lot of Christians who, as Jack's Girl said so well, are very quick to condemn that which they don't understand.

For some reason that eludes me, even after over thirty years of walking with the Lord, I've found some of His kids can be downright cruel. Over on CrossWalk dot com, there are a half-dozen self-proclaimed "heresy hunters" who seem hellbent on destroying as many ministries as they can, just as quickly and ruthlessly as they can accomplish it (I should know; I've been the recieving end of it). Why do they do it? I dunno. Power rush, I suppose.

Now I'm not saying this Lakeland thing is completely of God; I don't know enough about it to make that call. Although what in this fallen world is? But anytime a group of hard-hearted Christians sets out to disparage and destroy such a thing, it conversely makes me want that much more to check it out. I guess I'm still a rebel! *G*

DrRita
06-17-2008, 02:45 PM
Though false prophets abound, I am not going to bash anyone. I will say this, it's up to the believer to discern the false from the true and God has given us plenty of tools to use for that process, mainly His Word. There are saved people in all faiths!!! God is a redeemer and will use rocks. But having said that, there are plenty of warnings in the Bible to heed about knowing the Word and being able to figure out who's who . . .

Thebigguy
06-17-2008, 07:57 PM
I agree with Rita were to be discerning by the Word and by the fruit people bare. An Evangelist came one time to some missionary people I knew and what happened is anyone who seemed to get involved with his ministry their lives and relationships seemed to turn upside down. I thought my friend shouldn't get involved with him. Just one thing he said made me go,nooooo.
He said his mother was a prophetess and that she prophesied someone in Brazil would find gold on their property and they did. And someone who refused to listen to her she cursed and terrible things happened to that man. I was like, err that's not God he doesn't curse people like that, the whole context of the way he said it was wacked.
Anyway my friend stayed and I got out of their, I didn't want anything to do with this guy.
Things got pretty bad I guess. Anyway I look for evidence of the Spirit of God moving. I Got saved in a revival when Brownsville came up to our church, I couldn't tell you how many times I got slain in the spirit. They were human and there is somethings I think that they were too stringent on and some ways I was really disappointed. But some really amazing things happened and I see some of that stuff happening there at the Florida thing.
I'd say the Holy Spirit can handle this, it Todd isn't the real deal won't the Holy Spirit point that out eventually. My concern is that I'm the genuine deal, I got saved but unfortunately all my problems and hangups haven't gone away. I want to finish strong not be another Christian casualty. I think the Church could be more loving to the body and leadership that falls though, but I guess that's another thread.

Lookin^Up
06-18-2008, 05:09 AM
My computer doesn't do YouTube, so I need to know if someone actually heard him say these things. This is the part that disturbs me most. Did he really say this, or was this just made up by detractors?

"You see, I want to be fruitful; I want to be far above. I want to be a conqueror; [through Jesus we are already more than conquerors] I want to be a mountain of strength; I want to be greatness. [Whatever happened to "the meek shall inherit the earth"?] You know, we like that word greatness. Well, he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High automatically comes into everything that the Almighty is. It happens." Sounds like Isaiah 14:12 - 14 (http://biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&version=KJV&passage=Isaiah+14%3A12) to me.

Angelology plays a large role here. He talks to an angel named Emma and he says, "So when I need a financial breakthrough, I don't just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: 'Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.'" http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/tsk.gif

New Testament warnings abound against pursuing "filthy lucre" as a major part of one's ministry. He sounds as though God is a rich uncle who has His angels dole out $$$billions$$$ without blinking an eye. Also, no one talks to an angel on a regular basis, if ever, these days. This sends up enough warning flags to keep me away, I guarantee.

Tamera
06-18-2008, 08:08 AM
I don't know if this is the case here, but I know that many times, comments are taken out of context when someone wants to discredit a minister. I think it says a lot that the first thing the article mentioned were the tatoos and body piercings, not false doctrine. Also there are many differences in doctines among Christian churches. There are only a few that are essential to the Christian faith such as Jesus is God Incarnate, the Son of God, the Word of God is infalliable, and Jesus is the only way to salvation. I don't see any of the disputed in the Lakeland Revival.

I don't know enough to pass judgement about the Lakeland Revival. And I do believe we should line every preacher's words up with the Word of God. What I am saying is we should tread carefully.

Xenia
06-18-2008, 08:11 AM
Hmmmm... I couldn't find the YouTube link in the article. I have dial up as well so I didn't bother about it when I read the article. And by the way, all the highlighted and bolded stuff in the article is not mine - it came that way. I did do a search on google though for Bentley YouTube links and there are plenty to chose from. I've done a lot more reading about him and watched him for awhile too..
I know there are those out there who find an apostate under every bush but I don't want to wave away warnings in the assumption that the warning shouldn't be headed. To me this is just as bad... this attitude is out of balance as well.
Everyone has to decide for themselves and as Rita said, we have the word of God at our fingertips and should use it to help us discern (I paraphrase). As for me... I've decided to dust off my "10 foot pole".

Sheri
06-18-2008, 02:10 PM
I don't know anything about Todd Bentley, but the fact that he has tattoos is certainly irrelevant. And if we hold people's past against them it would seem we're not believing in redemption or grace. Whether a satanist, drug addict or murderer, God can redeem anyone. And He can work through anyone.

jacks girl
06-18-2008, 03:04 PM
I'm not sure what all he said but you can catch him now and then on God TV. not sure if you can get this out of the air or not i get it on my DTV and that is where i seen this man. Seen him this morning again.

reminds me of Benny Hinn this morning blowing on people and many are saying they are healed. i hope they are.

jacks

ProfessorAlan
06-25-2008, 01:16 PM
Benny Hinn had a few, um, less than orthodox, theological moments along the way.

Laina
06-25-2008, 04:15 PM
I found this article interesting...


FOOTPRINTS OF A PROPHET OR
TRACKS OF A WOLF?


I am writing the "inconvenient truth" today. I have been blitzed with e-mails about the Todd Bentley "revival" in Florida. Before you fall for his stories and "signs and wonders," please allow me to make some comments. I realize this will not be received well by many.

Thank you Xenia for bring this to my/our attention. I did go to u-tube and listened to some of his conferences. This is NOT the gospel according to the bible. I would encourage all to go to u-tube and see for yourself. This is very dangerous. And don't listen to just one, listen to all of them. And don't be fooled by a few words that sound scriptural. Remember that we will know them by their fruits.

Laina
06-25-2008, 07:05 PM
I meant to leave a URL for those who can watch youtube so here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=todd+bentley&search_type=

Xenia
06-25-2008, 11:39 PM
Thanks Laina for investigating those clips and reporting back :).

Lookin^Up
06-25-2008, 11:58 PM
And don't be fooled by a few words that sound scriptural.
That goes for all religions. The Book of Mormon has a lot of words that sound scriptural, but the author way, way, way overkills. Many others try to validate themselves by quoting, alluding to, or merely referencing the Bible, or simply using thees and -eth verbs and verilys thrown in for effect.

Tamera
06-26-2008, 02:47 PM
I admit I haven't looked through all the youtube clips yet to form an opinion. I only listened to one. In that one, I found nothing unscriptural. Bentley was giving glory to God and exalting the name of Jesus. I'm sure that I might find something if look some more.

I also don't want to condemn someone because I don't agree with everything he says, understanding that my interpretation of scripture might be different than someone elses.

Understanding that, there are certain scriptual principles that are non-negotiable such as the infallible Word of God and salvation through Jesus Christ alone.

So help me out. What has he said that is so off the wall? I could look through all the video clips and find out for myself, but it would help if I knew what you seem to have found.

Sheri
06-26-2008, 03:55 PM
As it turns turns out, someone I know e-mailed me a few weeks ago with a link to a revival meeting with Bently. I didn't think much of it and never heard of the guy. Then this thread came up ( I didn't realize it was the same guy). I viewed about 4 clips on youtube and while I'm very uncomforatbe with the weird body movements--the whole thing didn't make me think there was darkness involved (again I only viewed 4 clips) but it did make me think of the verse:
“Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.
Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” Luke 9:49-50

My main concern is seekers being turned off by the appearance of this--they already think we're pretty strange!

Tamera
06-26-2008, 04:23 PM
I'm pentecostal, and I've seen and felt some stranger manefistations of the Holy Spirit. It looks weird, but I agree is not something that is doctinally wrong.

Laina
06-26-2008, 05:50 PM
I viewed about 4 clips on youtube and while I'm very uncomforatbe with the weird body movements--the whole thing didn't make me think there was darkness involved (again I only viewed 4 clips) but it did make me think of the verse:
“Master,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us.
Do not stop him,” Jesus said, “for whoever is not against you is for you.” Luke 9:49-50

My main concern is seekers being turned off by the appearance of this--they already think we're pretty strange!

When they questioned Jesus in the above verse it was because the guy casting out demons wasn't hanging with the 12. This verse would probably apply more to those who have a problem with someone else because he isn't a part of their particular denomination. The verse you quoted doesn't really apply to this situation.

We are told to test (not condemn, that's God's job) all things and hold fast to what is good. We are also told to test the prophets. We are to call those who are false, false. We are to warn others of those who are false to stay away from them. And we know that Satan comes as an angel of light as do his demons. So he will try to speak the right words. But if you know the truth, the scriptures, they will protect you.

Really listen to this guys words. What is he preaching? Is he preaching Jesus, repentance, the gospel. No.

This is all about angels, money, healings, gold dust, diamonds, jesus's physical being coming to you or you going to it. That is what I've picked up so far. I haven't listened to all of them yet either. But he is not preaching the Jesus of the bible. Listen to his words.

Tamera
06-26-2008, 06:01 PM
Maybe I haven't watched enough. I'll watch some more clips. The clip I saw, he was preaching Jesus as the way to salvation.

Laina
06-26-2008, 07:34 PM
Maybe I haven't watched enough. I'll watch some more clips. The clip I saw, he was preaching Jesus as the way to salvation.

I'll try to find a quote or teaching that shows some of the things that are so not of the Lord.

In this one he claims the Lord told him to do this. There is no way the Lord of the bible told him to do these things.

"The woman was standing in the back of the room when the Faith of God hit the meeting and her tumor exploded out of her right leg slid down her leg on the floor. I said like God I prayed for like a hundred crippled people and not one … and He said that’s because I want you to grab the crippled ladies legs and bang them up and down on the platform like a baseball bat. I walked up and grabbed her legs and I started going “be healed- be healed” I started banging them up and down on the platform- she got healed.
I am thinking why is the power of God not moving and he said it is because you haven’t kicked that women in the face and there was like this older lady worshiping right in front of the platform and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and the gift of faith came on me He said …kick her in the face…with your biker boot. I inched closer and I went like this (makes kicking motion) BAM and as my boot made contact with her nose she fell under the power of God.
[So let me get this straight …. God tells Todd Bentley to KICK AN ELDERLY WOMEN IN THE FACE WITH HIS BOOT and she falls (well … no surprise there) and he says she fell under the power of God?? HUH? What is even more disturbing about this clip is that the congregation LAUGHS about it]
And I saw him and the gift of faith came on me and I said what do I do God? And God told me to just run em down- so I jumped up in the air and I went BAM and I hit him to the ground, jumped on to him and got into a full mount-ground and pound- I jumped on him and I was in a full mount and something came over me and instead of punching him I grabbed him by the neck and started choking him (makes choking motions) and I said come out of him devil… come out of him devil.
[Did you get that ...something “comes over him” and he thinks that it is God telling him to body slam a man to the ground, jump on him and then punch and choke him? Hello!! That is not the power of God - it’s ASSAULT.}
And I was in another meeting one time and I called out this Chinese gentlemen and all of a sudden I went running down the isle and I hit this guy so hard it drove him back several feet -he hit the ground and his tooth popped right out of his mouth.
[He hits a man so violently he knocks him to the floor and he loses a tooth and this is God?]
The pastor was lying on the floor and I was standing up on the platform and I said God I want revival and he said these words to me “Leg drop the pastor’ I said what and He said -leg-drop –the-pastor."

kshsj777
06-26-2008, 07:49 PM
It sounds like to me that it's a demon talking to him if he is hearing somebody telling him to do these things.

Sheri
06-26-2008, 08:16 PM
Wow! I clearly haven't seen the clips you have, the ones I viewed were of him talking about angels and visitations. The stuff you quoted is way out there and clearly dangerous. I do want to find out more, since a woman I know apparently attended one of his revivals. It's important we know about this kind of thing for the reasons you mentioned Laina.

Merry
06-26-2008, 09:10 PM
I'm just an hour south of Lakeland. my pastor went up to the revival and he really thought it was a great thing, but then I am wacky member of the Assemblies. However, when someone starts chatting with angels, I can understand the the warning light coming on.

Although my Pastor enjoyed the experience, he also has not urged members to go up there and has said we need to work in our area to speak the Word right here. He's not a "I'm not going to share" kind of guy. I suspect he may just not be willing to speak ill of a fellow pentecostal, cuz, yeah, I've heard some strange stuff. revivals can get wild. You just have to try the spirits. No foolin'.

Lookin^Up
06-26-2008, 11:17 PM
Beat 'em up and heal 'em. I have to admit, it's a unique approach. But I find it very hard to believe the God of Peace whom I worship would be behind it.

ProfessorAlan
06-27-2008, 08:13 AM
I am not worried about leaders and believers doing weird stuff .... it's teaching weird stuff that has to be the concern here.

Laina
06-27-2008, 05:31 PM
I am not worried about leaders and believers doing weird stuff .... it's teaching weird stuff that has to be the concern here.

Hi Alan

Scratch the surface. Dig deeper. :)

Just with what I shared, there is weird teaching going on. He is saying that God has told him to do these things. We teach with words and actions. There is allot more to this guy for another post later.

Let me just add that he talks with an angel named Emma. He goes to heaven and speaks literally , face to face with God one on one. This Emma is an angel who visited Bob Jones in the '80's. If anyone knows his history, that should be enough. I don't have allot of time right now, but this guy is NOT preaching the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To be continued......

ProfessorAlan
06-27-2008, 08:02 PM
Emma the angel could be a problem, that's for sure.

Lookin^Up
06-27-2008, 11:41 PM
I believe that was Jim Jones, btw. :D

Daniel
07-15-2008, 09:15 PM
Alrighty, I am looking up videos about this guy as well as his connection to an angel named Emma, any "teacher" who talks about having an angel who he talks to, especially things like this, isn't from God. He also said something Jesus showing up in a meeting in his glorified body. That didn't happen. If I recall right, didn't Benny Hinn say something like that??? I have found another video which talks about this guy as well as some of his connections, even to a place called IHOP (International House of Prayer). I know of the place, even been there a few times. somehow I always felt questions more then answers there, this is before the video. Here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWG80y3SYzk&feature=related

Their website is http://www.fellowshipofthemarytrs.com

I am going to be doing more research into IHOP myself. Oh, he also says that Todd was introduced to the angel named Emma through a guy named Bob Jones. So anyways, Godspeed, keep your hearts and minds open, study the word to show yourself approved, especially during these days. Now that's something I've always been wanting to say.

Lookin^Up
07-15-2008, 09:24 PM
The International House of Pancakes oughta sue for stealing their famous initials.

Daniel
07-15-2008, 11:12 PM
Yeah, well, things like that happen. I was kind of surprised by what he said in the video about them, but yet in a way, I kind of felt awkward there, especially with some of the things that they were teaching. Some of it focused mainly upon teachings that one had to find in the Bible, not really ones that were foundational to Christianity. If you do want to know more about them, their site is: http://www.ihop.org

I am going to do more research into what the guy said as well about them. In the part, if you've seen the video, where he says that Mike Bickle speaks about the "move of God" beginning and expanding from Kansas City, MO is true, I heard him say it myself. One can always confirm things by going to the source. So anyways, thanks for sharing about Todd Bentley. Fascinating.