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Phy
05-18-2008, 06:23 PM
I went back and looked at what I wrote about The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, and the Wardrobe (CoN:LWW, or LWW for short) . At the time, I wrote:

CoH: LWW was ok, I guess.

It should have been as magnificent as the word suggests. It wasn't (for me).

Things I didn't like:

* tepid writing
* tentative acting
* stilted dialogue
* pedestrian pace
* conceding plot points and language
* too careful, not reckless enough
* lacking in wonder, magic, menace, emotional import or impact
* Peter needs to look like he can handle a sword. as it is, it looks he's an actor with a prop.
* I get the animals talking thing, but does it /have/ to sound like they're actors speaking in from of mics? Can't we get the sound to sound like it's in the setting and not picked up in the mix?

Let me just skip ahead a bit and say this film, The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (CoN:PC, or simply PC), addressed every single negative, and, moreover, turned it into a positive. Every single one.

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Friends, this is a magnificent fantasy epic. This film is longer, darker, filled with more temptation and double-dealing, with more realistic villains, and more dangerous allies.

To alter a phrase, this is not a tame movie. And I love that. It's not what I'd call a 'family movie' if that means there is no room for real-world risks. But if we each live in a world where blessing or destruction is only a moment away, this film captures that frisson. And there is real joy in watching people overcome their own fears and become the people they were meant to be despite the lack of a safety net.

This film seemed more 'real' than Lord of the Rings, even with PCs talking animals. They looked, well, real. But more than that, they came across as living, suffering, hopeful entities, full of worth, and each with their own weaknesses and strengths. I believed they were persecuted by the invading Telmarines, I empathized with them, and I loved their grit and humor.

But it is the underlying spiritual elements that most seized me about this film. This film is about life in all it's gusto and temptation and danger, with uneasy loyalties, forgotten promises, and sometimes petty bickering. It's also about dreams for a better life, and faith, and moreover, belief. And it's not corny or preachy about any of it.

It felt to me like what Star Wars would have been as a fantasy (and by that, I mean 4 / 5/ 6). It scared me, thrilled me, challenged me, and most of all enthralled me. It was about death and wonder, about fighting for liberty, about a small, dysfunctional band fighting against impossible odds.

Most of all, I was taken with the symmetry with the notes from today's message at church. We're in the book of Judges, and I wrote down the following notes about observable, recurring cycles in the history of the nation of Israel. They fit very well with the nation of Narnia:

* After years of peace and prosperity, everyone would gradually forget about God and do whatever was right in their own eyes
* Faithlessness ultimately led to servitude
* The people were only spared when they repented of their unbelief and their wickedness
* God heard the cries of His people, and raised up unlikely heroes to lead His people back to victory, both on the battle and in their own heart, resulting again in years of peace and prosperity as they worshiped God.

I saw those same principles play out in Narnia. Even among the Pevensies, we saw temptation, forgetting about what brought them victory to begin with. I was especially taken with the unexpected heroes arc for Peter. Edmund was a wonder in this picture, not just physically bigger, but having a grounded certainty of who he is and where his warrior's power comes from. The girls are also fun to watch, Lucy for her childlike faith, and Susan for her role as a buffer between Caspian and Peter, uneasy allies at best, two alpha males trying to do the right thing, but looking for the right way.

Special mentions go to the cynical dwarf Trumpkin, a fearless feather-sporting mouse named Reepicheep (voiced by an amazing Eddie Izzard, who is swashbuckling without being absurd), and an amazing black centaur named Glenstorm.

The Pevensies must learn who their enemies are, who their friends are, that they are not great because they rule - that they are great because they serve, and that where you put your faith matters.

This was a magnificent film that nailed everything I missed last time around, and improved on the things I thought were ok the last time around.

For instance, the CGI here isn't obvious. It's organic, like the CGI in Minority Report, where it exists not to draw attention to itself, but to sell the setting, the moment, the events. This was a seamlessly effective film where the danger felt real, the settings were amazing, and the risks were tangible.

If you hated LWW, you might like PC. If you were so/so on LWW, you might love PC. And if you loved LWW, PC may wind up being one of your favorite films, ever. It is that much improved, which should count for something.

This was a flat-out great film, and I'm glad I gave it a chance. You should, too.

9 / 10

Summary:
The Pevensie siblings -- Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy -- return in The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, the newest installment of the classic C.S. LewisThe Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the one-time Kings and Queens of Narnia find themselves back in the faraway realm they once ruled. But over 1300 years have passed, and the Golden Age of Narnia has given way to the rule of the evil King Miraz. And when the Pevensies meet Prince Caspian (Ben Barnes), the rightful heir to the throne, they embark on a journey to find the legendary Aslan and restore magic and glory to Narnia.

Tamera
05-18-2008, 06:29 PM
I watched Prince Caspian, and I couldn't agree more with Phy.

kshsj777
05-18-2008, 09:24 PM
Wow! We are going to see PC tomorrow and I can't wait to see it. I'm even more excited, since I absolutely loved LWW!!!!!!!!!!

Phy
05-18-2008, 09:33 PM
Wow! We are going to see PC tomorrow and I can't wait to see it. I'm even more excited, since I absolutely loved LWW!!!!!!!!!!

As I wrote, I didn't much care for LWW. This is better in every way.

kshsj777
05-18-2008, 09:36 PM
Well I am an easily impressed person. Though one thing I didn't like about LWW was that the battle scene was way too long, and there parts of the book that the movie sort of skimped over like when Aslan breathed life into the statues, it shortened that too much. And it's been a while since I read the book, but I'm sure there're other things.

Phy
05-18-2008, 09:37 PM
Well I am an easily impressed person. Though one thing I didn't like about LWW was that the battle scene was way too long, and there parts of the book that the movie sort of skimped over like when Aslan breathed life into the statues, it shortened that too much. And it's been a while since I read the book, but I'm sure there're other things.

The battle scenes here don't really come into place until the second half of the film, but when they do, they don't skimp.

kshsj777
05-18-2008, 09:44 PM
I meant that they skimped on the part when Aslan breathes life into the statues, not that they skimped on the battle scenes. Those I think were too long.

ProfessorAlan
05-18-2008, 10:21 PM
As far as the 7 books go, PC is to me in the bottom half in terms of plot and action -- makes sense that the BBC combined it with Dawn Treader -- so the movie did have to add action and emotions that weren't in the original. It made it a better film that a straight adaptation of the book would have been.

Lookin^Up
05-19-2008, 04:07 AM
I have plans to see it Tuesday, and am I ever looking forward to it! I loved what they did with LWW, for the most part (except, as 777 said, the battle was too long and they took out the part where Aslan leaped with the girls on his back). The BBC Reepicheep was way too big; I'm especially looking forward to how they depicted him. And Trumpkin. And the owls (too true, too true). And Caspian's escape from the castle. And ... And ...

Shoot, I'm looking forward to everything! !thumbsup!

Phy
05-19-2008, 08:43 AM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=54350

Prince Caspian opened strong, but not as strong as LWW.

Caspian Topples Iron Man

The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian dethroned Iron Man as the top film at the box office, conjuring about $56.6 million in ticket sales during the three-day May 16 weekend, the Associated Press reported.

The Disney sequel took in less domestically in its opening weekend than The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe, which sold $65.6 million in North America in its debut weekend in December 2005.

Iron Man slipped to second place, after two weeks at number one, with $31.2 million, bringing its domestic total to $222.5 million, the AP reported.

Speed Racer, meanwhile, continued to lag in the race, taking in only $7.6 million for fourth place in its second weekend of release, raising its total to just $29.8 million after 10 days.

ProfessorAlan
05-19-2008, 10:18 AM
There is a holiday wekeend coming up, so movie grosses should not drop too much. Interesting to see how close it gets to LWW's total haul of $291 M.

Ransom v. Unman
05-19-2008, 10:23 AM
Hope it keeps going up... I've always wanted to see a Last Battle movie.

Cymrugirl
05-19-2008, 11:45 AM
Oh, it's going to keep going. Any suggestions as to otherwise were not well-founded earlier this year. ;) The bigger scare is that someone at Walden has used the much feared terminology "3-D" in a recent interview about forthcoming films. Dawn Treader is already being made.


As for Prince Caspian. Better than the book! I was ready to turn right around and go see it again last night. It...is...AWESOME!

In comparing it with film one, I simply think PC had more freedom to play to an older audience. The first film had the very difficult task of telling a story with a very violent center to an audience that would more likely be made of small children. LWW is the most important book of the series - and parents wanted it to be a film for children. I really feel they lived up to that expectation. As an adult who grew up with the Chronicles and would have liked it to be an adult film, it was difficult at first for me to let it go as something meant "for the very young, or the very old" - but once I sat in the theater and watched children watching it, experiencing it, that submission came easily.

I admit, that in spite of the valid flaws of the first film (by adult standards) I cry pretty much all the way through LWW every single time I see it. Last night, I had a lot of moments that made me cry again - but this film was more grown up - just like the Pevensie children - and I found myself biting my nails and laughing, etc., more than crying. I really look forward to future films, as PC is really the weakest book in the lot according to the majority of fans, and in spite of that, Walden Media was able to produce the most entertaining film I've watched so far this year. CG just keeps getting better, etc. The films will only get better.

But I imagine I'll always cry all the way through LWW. I absolutely can't wait to share it with my daughter. And I know she will equally enjoy Prince Caspian.

Thebigguy
05-19-2008, 02:54 PM
I liked the books better I'm a purist I'm afraid, I hated the movie of LWW but it grew on me and now I enjoy it. I didn't like Prince Caspian for the same reason, but I expect that will grow on me too.

kshsj777
05-19-2008, 09:21 PM
I just saw Prince Caspian with subtitles (!) and I absolutely LOVED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm now waiting for the Voyage of Dawn Treader, though the one I'm most looking forward to is The Magician's Nephew, which I believe was published fourth so it'll be next after VDT.

Of course I think the Silver Chair will also be awesome, and the Horse and His Boy and the Last Battle... yes that's all of them!!!!!!!!!!! I love them all!!!!!!!!!! Hard to say which one I like better though I think I'm a bit tired of LWW since it's the most popular. It will interesting to see the witch return in the Silver Chair.

Of course, my favorite passage is the last page of the Last Battle!

Lookin^Up
05-20-2008, 05:44 AM
I'm so glad they had subtitles for you, 777, so you could really enjoy it as you should. But I think The Silver Chair is #4, and The Magician's Nephew is the 5th book. I want to see MN very badly, too; that would be awesome in CGI.

"Further up, further in!"

kshsj777
05-20-2008, 09:54 PM
Maybe it is, I'm not sure. Either way I'm happy to see it as long as it's a Narnia book.

Lookin^Up
05-21-2008, 04:30 PM
Well, I saw Prince Caspian, and I did enjoy it for the most part. Unlike the book, it hit the ground running--er, galloping away--and I loved how they handled the transition from the train station to Narnia. While the train sped by, the whole station peeled away until the kids were on an island where the ruined Cair Paravel stood, and the train's caboose vanished into the sky. The alternate ending was great, too, the "door in the air" being depicted between two tree roots that twisted apart.

But the plot in between these only loosely resembled the book. The battle took up a full third of the movie, which could have been truncated to preserve some of the more intellectual elements, such as the owls. They were left out completely. There's something wrong with a society that values the mindless destruction of war over a story's essential elements.

The progression of who saw Aslan after Lucy was all but lost. And what was that part about the White Witch coming back if she could touch the blood of a "son of Adam"? That's not in the book, although an unnamed hag was. The scene didn't make sense if she's been dead for 1,300 years.

One of the most heartwarming scenes, however, that did preserve the book's spirit was the special bond we saw between Aslan and Lucy, more than the other Pevensie children. Reepicheep, his mouse army, and Trufflehunter were also a delight to see; they're just the right size this time. Nikabrik, while not exactly a delight, was quite true to his character in the book.

So, out of a possible five stars, I would give it four. At least they won't be able to get much war violence out of Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Cymrugirl
05-21-2008, 05:06 PM
I know the White Witch scene is in the book - the bit about the blood may have been added though.

I was okay with the battle sequences weighing so heavily myself - PC has always reminded me of the story of King David, whose own rise to the throne is one of the bloodiest in the Bible.

I did miss the owls though - however, not until you mentioned them. ;)

Tarin
05-21-2008, 05:46 PM
I loved the battles, but could have wished for a bit more character development. :rolleyes:

Lookin^Up
05-22-2008, 08:50 PM
Exactly, Tarin. Showing the battle was all right because it is part of the story, but it's not the most significant part of the story. Prolonging that and leaving out Glimfeather and his owl friends robbed something that has always charmed me about PC. And there were parts of the battle I don't remember in the book, such as knocking out cavern pillars to create a sinkhole under the advancing army.

777, the hag only mentions bringing the "White Lady" back (honor among witches, I suppose), but it never happened. Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but I do think they could have followed the book a bit closer.

Phy
05-22-2008, 09:27 PM
Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but I do think they could have followed the book a bit closer.

After the utter meh of LWW (for me) I'm prepared to cut Adamson some slack. This is a much improved film, and I was utterly entertained. Me! Of all people!

For reasons of pacing and clarity and focus and simple butts-in-the-seats economics, I'm prepared to call CoN:PC a strong win, and I hope the ticket sales make further sequels fiscally attractive.

ProfessorAlan
05-22-2008, 10:48 PM
Maybe I'm being nitpicky, but I do think they could have followed the book a bit closer.

Books and movies are different media.

Cymrugirl
05-23-2008, 12:56 PM
Lookin' Up, I think you are confusing Prince Caspian with The Silver Chair. Glimfeather and his friends first appear there - and trust me, there is no way filmmakers will leave out Glimfeather.

Of all the books in the Chronicles to face changes in the transfer to film, this one stood the best chance. Among Narnia fans, it has consistently ranked the least favorite of them all. If Narnia fans themselves aren't crazy about the book, it's no wonder the filmmakers decided to inject some extras into the story.

Lookin^Up
05-24-2008, 02:30 AM
I hear you, Cymru, and everyone else. I've been thinking it over some more, and I realize not only did I confuse where the owls appeared, but other characters requiring CGI treatment were missing. I suppose they poured their technology into the battle scenes because it was easier than trying design all those extra animals and giants and so forth, and make them move.

And, I'll have to admit, that sinkhole idea was pretty clever.