Star Wars fans don't miss deal or no deal

[jacks girl]

Not sure what night it will be on but I seen that there are going to be a deal or no deal with all kinds of star wars stuff on it. I thought you guys might want to know about this.

Also so this thread is not wasted. If you are a Star Wars fan. How bad do you have it. Do you have a lot of stuff from Star Wars. A favorite scene. A favorite character.

Jacks

[Mouse5]

My favorite characters are Hans Solo and Chewbacca followed closely by Yoda. I could watch those movies all day without a problem....... well, except my kids would begin complaining when it's time for Magic School Bus. Ahhhh.... the sacrifices one must make to keep the kids from crying mutiny. LOL :cool:

[WritingChaos]

Star Wars huh? I don’t know if I’m a fan. In fact, I seem to enjoy things that poke fun at it more than like it. Maybe I’m a puritan; let’s go with that. I like the first three that were made, but the new ones just bit. I’ve seen better acting out of Barney than Jar-jar. Then the whole snotty teen act in part two was annoying. Finally I will say the only thing that made me happy about part three was when they put that mask over the actors face.

That’s the key complaint - I found it! :) Darth Vader is a great villain, and the sniveling emperor made me want to place depends on my head for a hat.

Oh my I’m ranting. Truth be told I really want to see the old Star Wars again. I haven’t gotten to see it in years, and I think it would be fun to just watch all three back to back. Perhaps I could get my wife to snuggle up with me through it and really enjoy the night.

[Lookin^Up]

The first three (4-6) were great; there was a continuous storyline that was easy to follow. Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. Darth Vader and the prominent heavy breathing. Lightsaber fights. My all-time favorite scene was the Imperial Landwalkers in Episode 5. My all-time least favorite scene was Jabba the Hutt's lair in Episode 6.

The second three (1-3) were more muddled, interesting only for showing the genesis of Darth Vader, C3PO, Luke and Leia's parents, and so on. But having the same two actors play Qui-Jon and Obi-Wan in Episode 1, and Obi-Wan and Anakin in Episodes 2-3, failed to define the characters as well as they should have. The whole midichlorian explanation left me cold; they could've done without that. And the part about Anakin not having a father and being the "chosen one," yet following an evil path, felt very wrong.

Lucas should have stopped after the first trilogy.

[WritingChaos]

Ditto to what Lookin^Up said.

[Mouse5]

I put the second three in a whole different bracket. I like them for what they were.... a half way decent story. But the first three are always going to be my favorites.

[jacks girl]

I watched the Deal or no deal tonight pretty good but I felt sorry for that little girl who didn't win anything.

It always bummed me a little that Princess Lea and Luke were broth and sister. I liked the role harrison ford did best. He was so funny at times. You know hubby aint even ever seen one of the movies. I'll have to get him to watch at least one of them.

[WritingChaos]

Ford was the best out of them all. That’s why I’m thrilled that a new Indiana Jones is out. I wish I had enough cash to go see that.

[righter1]

I'm obviously a Star Wars fan. I'll quote Yoda a lot, and I have Princess Leia as my avatar! :)

I love the first trilogy the best--always have, can't see myself changing. It's such a great tale from the start of Ep. 4 clear to the end of Ep. 6. I wasn't upset that Luke and Leia are siblings, though. My fave character is probably Han Solo--I like his swagger and his attitude--Leia, too, for that matter.

I've only seen all of the movies of the new trilogy once (except maybe the 1st one). They're good, but you could kind of guess what was going to happen. And, Amidala was a bit too... weak for me. She wasn't a heroine that I admired--she was okay, but... And, seeing the way they set things up for the original trilogy, I question some of the things that they did in Ep. 3 in light of some of the things said in Ep. 6. When Luke tells Leia she's his sister, before he does, he asks Leia if she remembers her mother, and Leia answers in the affirmative--images really. That she was very beautiful, but very sad. Amidala dies like minutes after the twins are born, so how can Leia remember that? Just something that's always bugged me... :rolleyes:

[Cymrugirl]

Don't even get me started on the inconsistencies of the newer episodes.

My house is a star wars geek house. We have old star wars toys. Emperial walker, chickenwalker (is this the actual name), action figures (though most ended up buried in my hubby's back yard as a kid), a stuffed ewok, soundtracks, light sabers, bootlegged auditions, George Lucas in Love, bootlegged Star Wars Christmas Special, Troopers, the works.

Han Solo was my favorite character. At the age of five I knew my "type" when I first laid eyes on him. He was just elevated to even greater heights for me as Indiana Jones.

Favorite lines aside from the repeats (I've got a bad feeling about this, may the force be with you, the continuous 'delusions of grandeur', and it's not my fault! ):

"Great kid! Don't get cocky!"

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"She's rich."

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"What a wonderful smell you've discovered!"

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"I love you."

"I know."
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"Luke. Luke....I am your father." Obviously

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"There's nothing to see. I was born here you know."

"You're going to die here you know."



And I could go on. I could pretty much quote the oldest three films. Of the new ones, the third one did best with me. The other two were sort of foul balls, though the second one did offer a nice performance from Ewan MacGregor, who, along with Darth Maul and the Emperor, were the only ones in the new films to really give the kind of performance I was looking forward to. Christopher Lee is never bad, but his character wasn't exactly extraordinarily well written.

[cpbookworm]

I liked the originals better than the prequels, too. I have probably seen the first one 30 times, although many years ago. Of the newer 3, I think I preferred the first.

[Phy]

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[Lookin^Up]

When Luke tells Leia she's his sister, before he does, he asks Leia if she remembers her mother, and Leia answers in the affirmative--images really. That she was very beautiful, but very sad. Amidala dies like minutes after the twins are born, so how can Leia remember that? Just something that's always bugged me... :rolleyes:
Yes, I noticed that, too. It is an inconsistency.

And when Luke first speaks to Obi-Wan Kenobi, Obi-Wan says Darth Vader had killed Luke's father when they turned out to be one and the same. When confronted later, Obi-Wan stands by his statement, saying it was true "from a certain point of view". Baloney! He flat-out lied.

Also, Obi-Wan may not have owned a droid, but he surely recognized R2D2 and C3PO when they came with Luke.

[Phy]

Yes, I noticed that, too. It is an inconsistency.

And when Luke first speaks to Obi-Wan Kenobi, Obi-Wan says Darth Vader had killed Luke's father when they turned out to be one and the same. When confronted later, Obi-Wan stands by his statement, saying it was true "from a certain point of view". Baloney! He flat-out lied.

Also, Obi-Wan may not have owned a droid, but he surely recognized R2D2 and C3PO when they came with Luke.

Heh, dude, take it from me - you'll make yourself crazy if you look too closely at the Star Wars canon. George Lucas would have you believe he knew it all from the very beginning, but I don't buy it. I have a copy of the first book, attributed to George Lucas but ghost-written by Alan Dean Foster, the version of Star Wars with the Ralph McQuarrie cover art. My dad and I read it before the movie came out in 1977. It was subtitled "From the Adventures of Luke Skywalker". You can see he's still working out what it all means, what he's going to do with it and go with it. Like he says through Han Solo, I think he was making a lot of it up as he went.

[righter1]

Yes, I noticed that, too. It is an inconsistency.

And when Luke first speaks to Obi-Wan Kenobi, Obi-Wan says Darth Vader had killed Luke's father when they turned out to be one and the same. When confronted later, Obi-Wan stands by his statement, saying it was true "from a certain point of view". Baloney! He flat-out lied.

Also, Obi-Wan may not have owned a droid, but he surely recognized R2D2 and C3PO when they came with Luke.

Actually, the Obi-Wan quote you mentioned doesn't bother me near as much as the Leia/Amidala question. I can actually see the logic that Obi-Wan used when Luke questioned him about it in Ep. 6. Because, to a certain degree, he's right. If you put the same thing into a political context (since this is my most comfortable area of discussion) if you took me (a conservative) and a liberal, and I said "All taxes are bad" but the liberal said, "Taxes are good", both could be said as true, based on our point of view. (I don't want to get into a political discussion here, BTW, I'm just using it to illustrate a point.) I'd argue wholeheartedly on why taxes are bad, and the liberal would argue his heart out on why taxes are good, and neither of us would change our view because we both believe our own thoughts to be true.

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled thread.

[Phy]

Actually, the Obi-Wan quote you mentioned doesn't bother me near as much as the Leia/Amidala question. I can actually see the logic that Obi-Wan used when Luke questioned him about it in Ep. 6. Because, to a certain degree, he's right. If you put the same thing into a political context (since this is my most comfortable area of discussion) if you took me (a conservative) and a liberal, and I said "All taxes are bad" but the liberal said, "Taxes are good", both could be said as true, based on our point of view. (I don't want to get into a political discussion here, BTW, I'm just using it to illustrate a point.) I'd argue wholeheartedly on why taxes are bad, and the liberal would argue his heart out on why taxes are good, and neither of us would change our view because we both believe our own thoughts to be true.

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled thread.

I agree. The Leia / Padme thing is simply a plothole (unless you can somehow work in her latent force abilities to somehow provide an explanation, but I think that's reaching, at best).

I always took Obi-wan to be saying that when Anakin Skywalker turned completely to the Dark Side of the Force, he literally took lost the identity of Anakin and picked up a new identity, that of Vader, the Sith lord. And Obi-wan's language, though spoken softly, is not gentle. He calls it defacto murder, less a transition than a brutal paradigm shift that killed the person of Anakin and created a new, evil paradigm in his place, Vader. That Luke assumed Obi-wan was referring to a physical person killing a different physical person is an assumption on Luke's part, not necessarily error on Obi-wan's. And furthermore, Obi-wan knew Luke wasn't ready for the truth at that point in his development. It is one of the things I like about the elder Jedi.

[Cymrugirl]

Actually, the Obi-Wan quote you mentioned doesn't bother me near as much as the Leia/Amidala question. I can actually see the logic that Obi-Wan used when Luke questioned him about it in Ep. 6. Because, to a certain degree, he's right. If you put the same thing into a political context (since this is my most comfortable area of discussion) if you took me (a conservative) and a liberal, and I said "All taxes are bad" but the liberal said, "Taxes are good", both could be said as true, based on our point of view. (I don't want to get into a political discussion here, BTW, I'm just using it to illustrate a point.) I'd argue wholeheartedly on why taxes are bad, and the liberal would argue his heart out on why taxes are good, and neither of us would change our view because we both believe our own thoughts to be true.

Anyway, back to your normally scheduled thread.

I figure Lucas could get away with explaining that the mother Leia remembers isn't Amidala but Mrs. Organa. We see her at the end of the epi 3, but she could have died later. If I were him, that's what I would say anyway.

[Tarin]

I *love* Star Wars. The fact that I still love it in spite of the prequels only goes to show what a good thing it is. ;) As individual movies, the prequels were ghastly. The stories stunk, the dialogue stunk, the acting stunk. :confused: The eye candy was fabulous (most of the time), but somehow that only served to distance the prequels that much more from the original trilogy. In no way, do they "feel" like the same series.

However, I have to say that I love the overall story arc much better now that the prequels are in place. Or maybe I should say I appreciate it more. The scope and tragedy of Anakin's story always leaves me breathless. Here you have someone who is incredibly, impossibly gifted, someone who wants to do good, but who is so shackled by his own shortcomings and human frailties that he casts aside his tremendous capability to affect the galaxy for good and plunges himself and everyone he loves into darkness. Finally, after years and years of sin, he is redeemed through the love of a son he never knew he had. He makes one valiant effort to repair his mistakes, and then he dies. He finally does right in the end, but as a person, he never reaps the benefits of making the right decision. He paid for his mistakes utterly. It's heartrending.

I can only wish that that George Lucas had done a better job of presenting such a grand story. :rolleyes:

[Alice]

Episode Three. Couldn't stand the way he had the final battle between Anakin and Obi-wan. It made Obi-wan look like a cruel, cruel guy. (Leaving your enemy screaming, half-dead in the lava? Come on.)

Surely it wouldn't have taken much more work to fix it so he thought Anakin was dead... or someone interrupted the battle somehow... etc. Just turning his back like that. It screams "not Obi-wan" to me. Like they wrote themselves into a corner.

[Lookin^Up]

Interesting perspectives, these. I'm glad to get other opinions as to what these things mean, because it seems I've missed some of it. Yes, the whole series does seem to revolve around the Anakin's plunge into depravity and his ultimate redemption--although he doesn't get to LIVE through the redemption and have a real relationship with his son. Hey, had he not died at the end of Episode 6, maybe he and Luke and Leia could have had a picnic together in the waterfall country on Naboo. LOL