The latest silly thing with the Canidates.

[jacks girl]

I'm still doubting that i will vote for anyone. but i do watch it closely and find most of it amusing. Did anyone see Obama talking about Hillary wearing a 6 shooter and about her out duck hunting. Funny stuff.


I didn't like the remark obama said about the Pa people holding to their guns and religion. That's we do around here in KY. on a daily basis.


Have you noticed anything really dumb this week. I'm sure you have...

Jacks

[Gravity]

All I know, Jacks, is it's a long way to November...and all this goofy stuff from the candidates is only going to grow worse. I wish it was over and done.

[Mouse5]

I agree with Gravity. It seems like each election year is worse than the one before.

[Lookin^Up]

I'm tempted to called them George and Gracie, but G&G set out to be funny. Barack and Hillary are funny without meaning to be. I've seen detective shows where one candidate offs the other over political backbiting and rivalry. I don't think it has happened in real life, but if this contest escalates much more, this could be a first time.

[Timber Wolf]

I'm still doubting that i will vote for anyone. but i do watch it closely and find most of it amusing. Did anyone see Obama talking about Hillary wearing a 6 shooter and about her out duck hunting. Funny stuff.


I didn't like the remark obama said about the Pa people holding to their guns and religion. That's we do around here in KY. on a daily basis.


Have you noticed anything really dumb this week. I'm sure you have...

Jacks


Jack's I have felt the same way as you. But if we don't vote we deserve what we get. I realy don't want to see Broom Holda, or Osama Ben Bama elected, so even though McCain's not my nuber one choice I will vote for him come November. We can hope he will get decent Supreme Court Justices in, cause we will prbly be up for 2-3 to retire and be replaced. If one of the twosome gets elected we can expect more of the same on the SC. (Hopefully we will have a winning number of justices for the 2nd A hearing we have just had.)


Lookinup - I have often wondered about that. What happens if one presidential candidate tries to kill another and they both have their secret service bodyguards with them.

If the intended victim's BGs tries to shoot he other candidate, to protect the intended target, then would that candidate's BG try to protect him (Her?) or would the perps BG decide to do nothing? or would he assist in disarnming the perp candidate (assuming the BG knew nothing of the plan), or would the BG even have signed up to help with the murder?

Ahhhh, the wild and untrolled imagination of a writer is a terrible thing sometimes.

(NOTE TO ANY SECRET SERVICE AGENT LURKING ON THIS SITE - This is in no way to be construed as an endorsement for the above mentioned scenario by myself or anyone at CW. :D)

[Knight of Christ]

OOOOO man would i love to say something right now. But past expreance has givein me a rather cold heart in this matter, not to mention a hatred in all things political.

No ofence ment to anyone reading this or anyone els for that matter.

And no I do not side with thouse down south thinking that they can sucsfully leave the unioun without causeing yet a nother cival war.

[jacks girl]

Wow is someone wanting to leave the union. Where do i sign up.

Jacks

[ProfessorAlan]

Lookinup - I have often wondered about that. What happens if one presidential candidate tries to kill another and they both have their secret service bodyguards with them.

I smell an idea for my next novel!

[Timber Wolf]

hey now! That's a (c) idea. :D
if you use it I wantnta know how it works out.

[jacks girl]

Hey Hillary won pa. LOL but what good will it really do her. do you think she can pull this off and take Obama. Did you see them on the wrestling the other night i didn't see it but seen the out takes on the news. LOL

funny stuff but they thought obama was the worst cause he didn't read off the tele prompter very good. Man if you can't even do a small advertisement for the wrestling world how are you ever gonna make it as President. LOL LOL

Welcome to the 3 ring circus.

[ProfessorAlan]

I think with our current president, making fun of the current candidates' ability to speak is a bit ...... um, ironic.

[jacks girl]

LOL true. I love the u tubes that you can watch if you type in is Bush an Idiot check them out. they are funny.

[Phy]

There are so many things in this thread that make me sad that I don't know where to start, so I won't.

[jacks girl]

LOL I know what you mean Phy. As far as I'm concerned we don't have a good candidate.

[Phy]

LOL I know what you mean Phy. As far as I'm concerned we don't have a good candidate.

This is me not starting. See how I'm not starting? ;)

[jacks girl]

LOL. I'll leave you alone then. may be you like one of the candidates or may be you like all of them. Not sure but don't feel pressured to tell us which one of them you don't or do like. LOL.

jacks

[ProfessorAlan]

I like this batch as much as I've liked recent batches of candidates -- doesn't strike me as any worse or better than other years.

[jacks girl]

well to me MCcain aint right enough. but then again Bush was to the right and he didn't seem to do much. i guess I'm dreaming to hope that some president might actually try to get prayer back in school.

jacks

[ProfessorAlan]

... but then again Bush was to the right ... I have never thought of Bush as on the right, at least on immigration, education, and federal spending. Quite a liberal on these issues.

[Timber Wolf]

Hey Hillary won pa. LOL but what good will it really do her. do you think she can pull this off and take Obama.

....

Welcome to the 3 ring circus.

May not do her any good. But sure is fun to watch the two of them still duking int out. Besides we can always hope they will damage the party enough that McCain gets part of the vote from them.

well to me MCcain aint right ....

jacks

You are so right - McCain aint right :)
But he's the least of three evils. Keep thinking "Supreme Court Justices." IF we get a Dem it's going to be so much worse. I would have rather seen Fred Thomson or Huckabee, but oh well.

[Lookin^Up]

I think I will vote for McCain in November, and hope and pray for the best. Not because he deserves it, but because the other two absolutely do not deserve it.

[jacks girl]

I'm still not sure yet if I'm voting. i know i won't vote for Obama, just don't trust him. I know hillary lies but will she do more damage then McCain. I'm still undecided.

Right now I'm still writing in Paul Harvey. That may change.

[Timber Wolf]

Is he even still alive. Come on Jack's I know it's making a statement, but it ain't gonna help our side win. We've been having this discusison over on Warrior Talk, about how we weren't gonna vote at all if McCain or certain others got to be nominated. But we've all pretty much come to the conclusion the protest ain't gonna help, and have decided to get in a position for a better nomination next time.

[jacks girl]

Timber I really don't know if the country can take another 4 years of a republican, I'm really at a loss here. Things keep getting worse and im just about to jump ship.

I may hear enough about McCain in the coming months to decided to vote for him but right now I'm not even riding the fence I've torn down the fence and looking around at all my options.

jacks

[Phy]

Timber I really don't know if the country can take another 4 years of a republican, I'm really at a loss here. Things keep getting worse and im just about to jump ship.

I may hear enough about McCain in the coming months to decided to vote for him but right now I'm not even riding the fence I've torn down the fence and looking around at all my options.

jacks

President Bush isn't a classic Republican. He used the party to push his own agenda (or, rather, it could be argued the agenda of others). Likewise, he's not classicly conservative.

On the flip side, the current Democratic party is no longer classic, either, so a discussion formed along party lines really has to redefine what we mean by our terms as the classic terms do not currently apply.

[Lookin^Up]

Frankly, I think a Democrat in the White House would be worse than another Republican, because the Dems have this idea that the government can and should cure all ills. That is the seed of Communism, and no matter how you felt about Bush (which I do not entirely agree with), I would not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

For instance, Dems keep complaining that Bush's laws benefit the rich, though they never explain how. That's means their complaint is nothing more than rhetoric; if it was true, they have no business complaining because they themselves are rich. Seems to me that for all the policies you disagree with, the Reps are keeping us from moving in the direction of the defunct USSR.

[WritingChaos]

I look at it this way.

Cain: SO DANG OLD! No really, a lot of his policies sound just plain dumb. Does he still think we’re living in a cold war time?

Bama: Make up your mind hun.

Clinton: NOT ANOTHER ONE!

I guess I’m not happy with any of them. Maybe if I could get one that wants to fix the economy and not kill unborn children I would vote for them.

[MissyKay]

Personally, I wouldn't vote Republican OR Democrat for any reason - both parties are corrupt to the core. I'd rather vote in a new party - and this will only happen if enough people get fed up and do the same. If everyone keeps with the "lesser of two evils" mentality, we will never get the gov't back. It will continue to be plagued with corruption and runaway spending.

But there is NO WAY on this green earth that I will vote for McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

[jacks girl]

LOL Missy. Right now I'm in the boat with you. I'll vote if I have to write in someone.

jacks

[pgulley]

One thing for certain is we have three very good reasons to pray mightily for our next president and commander in chief!

[jacks girl]

you got that right

[Mannyr]

a lot of good points have been tossed about in these posts. Especially about the two party system and or their values or the lack thereof.
Our whole country has lost its way, at least the Boy Scouts have adult leadership. As a Christian if Mitt Romney were somehow able to still be in the race i would vote for him in a minute. A MORMON! yep, have any of you read his last speech when he quit the race. i heard it at work, went home and copied to my hd.
If you want to hear about some real values just get a copy of it and read it. I found it at the Washinton Post thursday February 7, 2008. the title is Romney drops out of Presidental race. I think we have lost a chance at having someone with a real value system in office.

I read it and cried, i am not ashamed to admit it. We need our values back in place. Before our great nation goes down in chaos.

[Lookin^Up]

The problem is, most people dismiss a candidate, just because he sounds "religious," and even though the Top Three make claims to Christianity, it's a "comfortable" version that does not require one to change lifestyles. Especially when they support homosexuals.

[WritingChaos]

Meh, we’re all heading toward a new communism anyway. There are so many laws these days; even if you’ve spent years in collage you don’t know them all. You can’t sit into your own car without breaking a law. Wish there was a new continent to move to, I’d do the puritan thing and set forth to explore.

[Ransom v. Unman]

Right... because the Puritans didn't have any restrictive or ridiculous laws. :rolleyes:

[Lookin^Up]

Uh ... yeah ... right. Weren't they the ones who made pant legs for organs because they couldn't stand to see the legs "naked"?

[Timber Wolf]

Timber I really don't know if the country can take another 4 years of a republican, I'm really at a loss here. Things keep getting worse and im just about to jump ship.

I may hear enough about McCain in the coming months to decided to vote for him but right now I'm not even riding the fence I've torn down the fence and looking around at all my options.

jacks

I don't consider McCain a Republican, just the least of three evils (more on this in a bit).



Personally, I wouldn't vote Republican OR Democrat for any reason - both parties are corrupt to the core. I'd rather vote in a new party - and this will only happen if enough people get fed up and do the same. If everyone keeps with the "lesser of two evils" mentality, we will never get the gov't back. It will continue to be plagued with corruption and runaway spending.

But there is NO WAY on this green earth that I will vote for McCain, Clinton, or Obama.

I would love to see a "Constitutionalist" party running in local elections and winning, and then moving ito national elections. This party would stick to what's in the Contitution as for how the Federal gvt gets its powers and how personal and state rights are viewed, etc.



a lot of good points have been tossed about in these posts. Especially about the two party system and or their values or the lack thereof.
Our whole country has lost its way, at least the Boy Scouts have adult leadership. As a Christian if Mitt Romney were somehow able to still be in the race i would vote for him in a minute. A MORMON! yep, have any of you read his last speech when he quit the race. i heard it at work, went home and copied to my hd.
If you want to hear about some real values just get a copy of it and read it. I found it at the Washinton Post thursday February 7, 2008. the title is Romney drops out of Presidental race. I think we have lost a chance at having someone with a real value system in office.

I read it and cried, i am not ashamed to admit it. We need our values back in place. Before our great nation goes down in chaos.


I never heard / read the speech. I'll take your word that you felt it was a good indicator of his morals/values. The prbm I had w/ him is he was the governor of one of th emost liberal (read "socialist") states in the union.



Meh, we’re all heading toward a new communism anyway. There are so many laws these days; even if you’ve spent years in collage you don’t know them all. You can’t sit into your own car without breaking a law. Wish there was a new continent to move to, I’d do the puritan thing and set forth to explore.


We could always invade Antarctica. :D
Bring your wool underwear. (Cotton longjohns DON'T COUNT!)

[kshsj777]

LOL. Then we would ruin Antarctica. It's simple math. Unbelievers outnumber believers. So eventually, things are just going to get worse and worse.

I wonder... do you think Mr. Antichrist is making his plans right now?

Things will only be better when Jesus comes. Until then, we'll have to wait for the Return of the King.

[Lookin^Up]

777, I think the morass of morality we're seeing in this election year is an indication that Antichrist is at hand. Every president who has been chosen in the past few elections has garnered distrust from the public at large, whether deserved or undeserved, and that could very well draw people to the handsome and charming and smooth-talking Antichrist when he makes the scene. >shudders<

Tap your heels 3 times and say, "There's no place like Home, there's no place like Home ..."

[kshsj777]

I agree completely LU. Things are definitely pointing to that. Israel is now a nation again. There is turmoil in the middle east. The days are like the days of Noah. Our technology is increasing rapidly. There are wars and rumors of wars. Etc. Could even be in my lifetime.

[MissyKay]

Pastor Chuck Baldwin just got the nomination from the Constitution Party. Personally, I'm thrilled - we now have a presidential candidate to vote for in the general election that holds the same limited gov't view as Ron Paul. !thumbsup!

[Timber Wolf]

LOL. Then we would ruin Antarctica. It's simple math. Unbelievers outnumber believers. So eventually, things are just going to get worse and worse.

I wonder... do you think Mr. Antichrist is making his plans right now?

Things will only be better when Jesus comes. Until then, we'll have to wait for the Return of the King.

777, I think the morass of morality we're seeing in this election year is an indication that Antichrist is at hand. Every president who has been chosen in the past few elections has garnered distrust from the public at large, whether deserved or undeserved, and that could very well draw people to the handsome and charming and smooth-talking Antichrist when he makes the scene. >shudders<

Tap your heels 3 times and say, "There's no place like Home, there's no place like Home ..."


Somewhere someone asked "Is Obama the anitchrist?" I said I didn't think he was, but I figure the antichrist will be someone like him - charasmatic, pretty-boy, says what people with itching ears want to hear.

[Timber Wolf]

Pastor Chuck Baldwin just got the nomination from the Constitution Party. Personally, I'm thrilled - we now have a presidential candidate to vote for in the general election that holds the same limited gov't view as Ron Paul. !thumbsup!


The problem is the Constituion Party needs to gain ground in local elections before they can ever hope to be a force to be reconed w/ in the national elections.

[MissyKay]

If no one is willing to ditch the corrupt mega-parties and go with one of the other parties, nothing will ever change. We will keep electing the same type of leaders who will continue with business as usual.

[Lookin^Up]

I understand the feeling behind coming up with a "Constitution Party," and in fact I share it. It would not be so much voting for someone who we expect to win as much as voting for someone we would like to win because of strong moral character--something clearly lacking from this election so far.

The problem is the Constituion Party needs to gain ground in local elections before they can ever hope to be a force to be reconed w/ in the national elections.
Agreed, Timber. Let's pray that happens before the next Presidential election in 2012. Our big boys (and girl) so far have pretty much ignored the Constitution.

[Xenia]

When I read over the Constitutional Party's platform I go along... yes, yes, yes! Until... I get to the following. It worries me that this seemingly benign statement is a veiled way of saying "no more support to Israel". Every once in awhile you'll hear rumblings of certain party members being anti-semitic (Pat Buchanon for one). This worries me. I don't know what to think about it... I just have a nagging reservation. I would love to be convinced one way or the other.


Foreign Involvement
The Constitution Party has consistently opposed American involvement in conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, Europe, and Central and South America. The United States has no interest in these areas which would justify the sacrifice of Americans on foreign battlefields - nor is our country properly cast as a merchant of death in international arms races.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php#Foreign%20Policy

[ProfessorAlan]

But that is the classic conservative POV ...

[kshsj777]

I believe we SHOULD support Israel. Not necessarily everything they do, but support them as a nation, as God's chosen people, as the land where numerous prophecies are going to come true, and where the future capital for all eternity is going to be.

That sounds like plenty of reasons to have an interest in the Middle East. Not supporting Israel is a liberal position, not a conservative one.

[ProfessorAlan]

Not supporting Israel is a liberal position, not a conservative one.
Not if you use the terms "conservative" and "liberal" as they have historically been defined. You can't define the terms so whatever you agree with is "conservative" and whatever you disagree with is "liberal."

Note that you'll find the most consevative people (like Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul and the Constitution Party) are totally anti-interventionist, and at best lukewarm towards Israel. They are "conserving" the status quo -- that is what conservatives do, it's part of the definition. Foreign intervention -- in the Middle East or anywhere else -- is by definition liberal, as it is an attempt to bring about change.

[Xenia]

I agree with kshsj777.

Foreign intervention -- in the Middle East or anywhere else -- is by definition liberal, as it is an attempt to bring about change.

Speaking of Israel I believe it is an attempt to love and to defend...

[Lookin^Up]

As I read it, the opposition is to "American involvement in conflicts in the Middle East," meaning we can still root for Israel, but not get directly involved in the conflict, such as sending troops. At least, that's what I hope it means. Any Christian group that does not support Israel by prayer, at least, is shooting itself in the foot since our faith started there. In other words, to take "Judeo" out of "Judeo-Christian" is to have only half of the story.

[kshsj777]

I don't see a problem with getting involved in Israel, like sending troops or supplying weapons, assuming of course those weapons are used to defend. I believe there is a prophecy that says all the nations will eventually be against Israel, and unfortunately, America is heading in that direction. Israel has always been God's chosen people, and it is part of God's plan for Israel to be a nation again. By supporting Israel, we're helping them to remain a nation.

[jacks girl]

Its looking like Obama is closing in on Clinton they are even with their super delegates.

[Timber Wolf]

Well , whatever we call it, I would like to see a party based upon the Constitution, and not to be going against Biblical principals (supporting Israel, etc.), regardless of whether we call it "conservative" or "liberal" by any definition. But in the end, we know what will happen.


As for the current state of affairs with Obilamry, the more blood-letting, the better. Maybe they will weaken the party so much, they'll have no hope of keeping the House and Senate as well as not getting the White House.

[ProfessorAlan]

Well , whatever we call it, I would like to see a party based upon the Constitution, and not to be going against Biblical principals (supporting Israel, etc.), regardless of whether we call it "conservative" or "liberal" by any definition.

But the Bible and Constitution are different documents, and might actually conflict every now and then .........

[Timber Wolf]

They shouldn't conflict that much (maybe the later amendments) as the founding fathers, if not Christians, at least tried to develop the gvt on the ideas from the Bible (three branches of gvt - prophet, king, priest, etc.)

[ProfessorAlan]

Perhaps, TW, though the history you posit is highly questionable.

My point is that there have to be places were they contradict, as they were written for different purposes and with different emphases by people with different callings, so when they conflict you have to decide which is the higher priority.

It was just that your desire "to see a party based upon the Constitution, and not to be going against Biblical principals" strikes me as an unusual desire. You sort of have to pick one to follow, the Constitution or Biblical principles, becuase they aren't inherently the same.

[Timber Wolf]

I don't think you have to pick one over the other, but I guess we'll drop it for now.

[jacks girl]

I don't like your new aviator Timber... YIKES

[ProfessorAlan]

I didn't mean to crush your wishful thinking, TW.

[jacks girl]

This is changing the subject but I wonder if McCain will start pointing out the fact that the dem's have been in power for the last how many years. when did the dem's take back over the house and senate and do you think that McCain will point out this little fact.

Who do you think has the most power the pres or the house and senate.

Jacks

[Timber Wolf]

I didn't mean to crush your wishful thinking, TW.

No prblm - I just didn't want to start a riot. :D

The reason I was posting:

Obama takes lead in superdelegates, AP reports (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24556427)

haven't read it through yet.

[MissyKay]

This is changing the subject but I wonder if McCain will start pointing out the fact that the dem's have been in power for the last how many years. when did the dem's take back over the house and senate and do you think that McCain will point out this little fact.

Who do you think has the most power the pres or the house and senate.

Jacks

Not if he's smart. The dems have only held the house and senate for 2 years. The republicans held it before that for much longer, and our pres has been a republican for 8 years. They haven't by any stretch of the imagination done a stellar or notable job. (Quite the contrary.)

Even his experience could be a liability in this, because ever time he says he stands for something, we check his long record to see if he ever fought for those things he supports. Did he initiate legislation? Did he give passionate speeches about it?

[Timber Wolf]

What's this I hear about BillHillary making comments about the Kenendy assassination in regards to her staying in th erace against Osomabenbama? ANd then she apologized later. DOn't have a news item to post - heard about it somewhere else - was wondering if anybody had heard more abot what had happened?

[ProfessorAlan]

It was a throwaway line in answering a question about why she is staying in the race. Didn't strike me as a big deal, and she apologized much faster than most politicians do when saying something dumb, so probably not a lot of damage.

[Laina]

I didn't see a problem with the comment either. She gave her reasoning for staying in the race.

Quote
“My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?” she said. “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

It might not have been the best thing to say, but she meant no disrespect or harm by the comment. And no I am not a supporter of Hillary. :)

I am actually embarrassed as an American by the representatives of our country who are running for president.