Incredible Bible study

[Rachel E.]

My dad runs a bible study at our church on Wendnesday nights. Last night we studied something that was absolutley incredible and eye opening. I hope that I can make it clear enough for you all to understand!
Do any of you know what the word "Christ" means? Most people think that it is Jesus' last name. But it is not. Basically, it's His job title.
Christ is the Greek word for the Hebrew word "Messiah"...but what does Messiah mean?
Messian means The anointed one. So, what was Jesus anointed with? The Holy Spirit.
In Isaiah 61, the first few verses state, what anointing Jesus was anointed with. When Jesus taught in Nazareth, he told them that this is so.
So, Jesus Christ(The Anointed One, who was anointed to Preach the Gospel to the Meek, bind up the broken hearted, set the captives free..etc) When we go through the NT, we see the word Christ quite frequently. We studied quite a few verses in class last night, and it is SO eye opening to fill in these words for Christ every time it appears.
For instance, Look at Phil. 1:21. "For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain" and then Verse 23 also, "For I am strait betwixt the two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:"

When my dad translated it, it was incredible.
"For me to live, is to be anointed with the anointing of preaching the gospel to the meek, binding up the broken hearted, freeing the captives, etc. But to die is to go and be with the Anointed One. And I am strait betwixt(can't decide which is better)." It's incredible to me how looking up a greek word can bring the Bible to life.
Thanks for putting up with me here!:o

[Ransom v. Unman]

If you study the Jewish concept of the Messiah (I hate how we refer to the bootleg Greek translation for that word, Christos) there's a wealth of insight into what Jesus was doing and said about Himself.

I'll cut myself off here because I could go on forever about this, but suffice it to say, if one studies Meshiach, and comes to understand the weight that word had behind it by the time Jesus came to us, it would be most helpful in understanding everything He did and said.

[lynnmosher]

Most people don't look past the black ink on those thin sheets of paper between the ends of black leather. The depths of the Word are unfathomable. Studying the words as they were written is incredible and, oh, so eye popping, while sometimes quite overwhelming. There is so much more we would understand if we really took the time to dig through the Word. I congratulate your father for doing this. A lot of preachers barely even use the surface words of scripture.

[Rachel E.]

Most people don't look past the black ink on those thin sheets of paper between the ends of black leather. The depths of the Word are unfathomable. Studying the words as they were written is incredible and, oh, so eye popping, while sometimes quite overwhelming. There is so much more we would understand if we really took the time to dig through the Word. I congratulate your father for doing this. A lot of preachers barely even use the surface words of scripture.

Lynn, thank you for these words! I love doing word studies on the original Greek and Hebrew words in the Bible, but this one was incredibly eye-opening for me and all the other members of the class.
BTW, my dad isn't a preacher. He's a teacher born. I noticed that someone had started a spiritual gifts thread, and I looked at it, but didn't post because it looked like it might be sort of controversial. But my dad is blessed with the gift of Exhortation out of Romans.
Thanks for the comments Austin and Lynn!
God bless!
Rachel

[kshsj777]

I knew everything that you said, Rachel, and I agree. Jesus Christ is the Anointed One, our Savoir forever and forever!!!!! Thanks for posting.

[sacred]

The name Jesus is a mere nickname of His real Name which was written in Greek.

[Xenia]

The name Jesus is a mere nickname of His real Name which was written in Greek.

Expound please. In any case and however translated... the name Jesus could never be "mere" to me :)

[Tamera]

Yawshua means "Son of Yahwah" or Son of God. Jesus is the western version of Yawshua. Yawshua is also translated as Joshua.

[Ransom v. Unman]

Yawshua means "Son of Yahwah" or Son of God. Jesus is the western version of Yawshua. Yawshua is also translated as Joshua.

Actually, that's not true... "Beniyah" would mean "Son of YHWH". Yehoshua (Joshua) means "Yah is Victory" and Ye'shùa (Jesus) both means "Salvation" or "Victory."

Just to straighten things out. ;)

[Xenia]

Thank you Ransom ;)

[Tamera]

Actually, that's not true... "Beniyah" would mean "Son of YHWH". Yehoshua (Joshua) means "Yah is Victory" and Ye'shùa (Jesus) both means "Salvation" or "Victory."

Just to straighten things out. ;)

Okay, thanks. I'd always heard it the other way.

[Ransom v. Unman]

I just realised I need to correct myself... "Benyahu" would be "Son of YHWH".

"Beniyah" would be "My son is YHWH."

:o

[sacred]

This name “Jesus” commonly used in Christianity today did not exist and would not be spelled with the letter “J” until about 500 years ago.

YAH SH UA Hebrew original

IE S OUS Greek

... in which was original also because he came in a day when Greek was common, so His name was written as such even to the Jews in His day. This is why I previously said originally His name was written in Greek, because in the books or letters of the new testament, His name was written in Greek, or aramaic, though it could absolutely be said that originally it was in Hebrew of course, because He was mentioned in scriptures of the old testament, but not worth an argument to declare no defense of the name which was written in Greek because His parents and all of his disciples knew Him by this Greek name.
However, and behold the truth my brethren, that the name JESUS is a western term as previously stated. That is if you call Europe western.
The Latin name came first though and it was translated as IE SO US. As you see, all of the original translations used no J sound. Some believe there was no authority to place a J sound in this translation and we should all agree. The reason we don't is because we too are so involved in tradition, that what is first given to us to accept is first viewed as just a concept, and mostly these are denied by the inward heart. It has been this way with every culture, and for many stubborn reasons we grab a-hold of things we neither created or had opportunity to endorse.

Jewish Masoretic priests, around the 6th century A.D., created the name Jesus by changing the vowel point from the letter “a” to “e” in the Tetragrammaton YHWH. This resulted in changing the pronunciation from Yah to Yeh. Very significant this is, and well beyond our western understanding till we know the little secret why.

The priests continued this tradition of vowel change, which was in effect at the time of the Messiah, of teaching the people that the name “Yahweh” was too sacred to pronounce, and to speak this name was blasphemy and punishable by death.* Most people and lower level priests were initially taught to say “Adonai” when they saw the name “Yahweh” or the tetragrammaton written.


*Does the Letter “J” exist in Hebrew, Latin or Greek?
The answer to this question is no. In fact, there was no letter ‘J’ in* any language prior to the 14th century in England. The letter did not become widely used until the 17th century.
Hence Jesus is a mere nick name and not the original name of Jesus. It doesn't mean it isn't Him, and as one similarly quoted here, “we love Him no matter what we call Him” Still to hold something true which is a lie is not proper perfection, wouldn't you agree?? Does a letter cause this much concern?? Jesus said, “Not a jot or tittle shall pass before all things are fulfilled”, so you tell me. Do you know what a jot is?? or a tittle?? These are a couple of the littlest marks in the Hebrew language.

The Encyclopedia Americana contains the following quote on the J: “The form of ‘J’ was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century. Either symbol (J,I) used initially generally had the consonantal sound of Y as in year. Gradually, the two symbols (J,l) were differentiated, the J usually acquiring consonantal force and thus becoming regarded as a consonant, and the I becoming a vowel".

It was not until 1630 that the differentiation became general in England.” Note in the original 1611 version of the King James Version of the Bible there was no “J” letter in this Bible. Why?? because it did not exist. James was spelled Iames. Jesus was spelled Iesous.
So to say the name of Jesus is to say a name that was not prescribed by the authors of the Bible nor translated properly from the original texts which were Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic, so next time you say 'Jesus' is Lord, know that you are naming Him in the Spirit and not in the physical evidences of proper translations of any sort or notion of the scriptures.
It is His nickname that English people gave Him. Why is it a nickname?? Because the letter J does not exist in the original three languages, and we ouselves have no understanding how the name Iesous became Jesus and some of you don't care because you are as wrapped in tradition as the ones who stood before Jesus and said, “our father is Abraham”, in John 6, because if you did truly care you would see that the authority of the 17 th century did not supersede the authority of the first century. And though you may forever call Him Jesus Christ, you would defend the honor of the truth, and though truth is sometimes cold, it need not be covered up with lies. They had no right to add a J and they made no accurate translation. Further, if all scripture would have been treated like this we may not even have known what the word grace stood for. Blane lee

[Ransom v. Unman]

Mate, it's how His name has become translated over the ages. There's nothing nefarious about Y'eshua turning into Jesus, it's just how language has moved over time. God still knows who we're praying to when we say "In Jesus' name."

By the by, it's common courtesy to delete your second post when you accidentally double-post.

Umm, going further, your information about the Tetragrammaton and the Mesoritic tradition is inaccurate, too. Jews had stopped pronouncing YHWH hundreds of years before the Mesoritic texts were penned. The vowel symbols around the MT (which are technically impossible to reproduce in Hebrew) served as a reminder to say "Adonai" instead of attempting to pronounce God's most-holy name.

Yeshua, as the Greek itself attests, had an "e" in the first syllable long before the Mesoretes even existed. Like I said, it was a fairly popular name at the time, a diminuitive form of Yehoshua (Joshua) that means "Victory" or "Salvation".

James, by the way, is actually a translation of "Iakobos", i.e. Jacob. It as well is attested to before the KJV, though linguistic origin of James is far murkier than the linguistic origin of other Bible names, e.g. Moshe - Moses, Yeshua - Jesus, Yochannan - John, Eliyahu - Elijah, etc., etc.

[Rachel E.]

Thank you so much for posting here Ransom and clearing up some name things. I've been studying the hebrew of some of those names, and it's fascinating! wow.. I love greek, but hebrew is deep, WOW!