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Derby
01-18-2008, 12:50 PM
Scansion

The UK magazine of the Association of Christian Writers had a letter asking for material to use as the basis of evangelistic songs. I sent some of my poems and one was of interest. But his comment was that my poems generally did not ‘scan’ and so were unsuitable to be set to music. The one he was interested in is below – I am not requesting a critique of this poem – only help to understand what scansion is about.

If


If there should be no God, no Heaven
With no loving Father in the sky
Or if I had not been forgiven
I would not linger, just fade and die


With no loving Father in the sky
With no rock of faith, no healing grace
I would not linger, just fade and die
Then all would be folly and all waste


With no rock of faith, no healing grace
Or if I had not been forgiven
Then all would be folly and all waste
If there should be no God, no Heaven

The correspondent amended the poem [and added a verse] so that it scanned for him, with this result:

If there should be no God, no Heaven,
No loving Father in the sky
Or if I had not been forgiven,
I would not stay, just fade and die.

No loving Father in the sky,
No rock of faith, no healing grace,
I would not stay, just fade and die.
Then all would folly be, and waste.

No rock of faith, no healing grace,
Or if I had not been forgiven,
Then all would folly be, and waste.
If there should be no God, no Heaven.

My observations are that each line now has 8 syllables except the first and last, which perhaps would be difficult to reduce to 8 syllables.
But I think there is more to it than syllable counts.
It seems to also involve metre, rhythm and musical beat, and perhaps more.
Can you rescue me from my ignorance of scanning, I would like to see if I can edit other of my poems or write fresh material that is suitable for setting to music.

lynnmosher
01-18-2008, 01:07 PM
I had no idea what scansion was. I had to look it up. Here's what I found...

Scansion is the analysis of poetry's metrical and rhythmic patterns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systems_of_scansion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scansion

PattyU
01-18-2008, 01:14 PM
Here's a interesting article. I hope it helps. I had never even heard the term before. http://www.writing.com/main/view_item/item_id/1113617

Rebecca
01-18-2008, 01:16 PM
I'll move this to the poetry discussion forum.

Rebecca

lynnmosher
01-18-2008, 01:21 PM
Thanks, Rebecca.

Patty, Good article. I, for one, appreciate the info!

Derby
01-18-2008, 02:01 PM
Lynn, PattyU, Rebecca

Thank you for all that.
I will look at all the material there.

What would help is the poetry-equivalent of Ransom [on theology].
Or a musician or song writer.

The original poem is a 'form' poem, a Pantoum - ABCD BEDF etc
It theoretically can be longer and each line occurs twice.

Thanks again, Derby

W. Frank H.
02-11-2008, 05:54 PM
Simply put, as this old man sees it, you've got to have one syllable for each natural beat in the music. That's the change he's made.

Your concepts are delightful.

W. Frank H.

Derby
02-13-2008, 09:27 AM
Frank

One old man to another:

A big cyber hug to you!
You have sorted me out with one little phrase, thank you.
I can see the sense of what he has done - I will knuckle down and revise some of my poems - ready for the guitar!

I am delighted that the poem gave you pleasure, best wishes

Derby