Fear and pride?

[Drybonesreborn]

I like to test prophecy against God's word. I consider myself like 2 percent prophet. Some things in my life God has used signs, and witnesses to speak to me and visions.

This intrigued me. Can fear and pride be the same. If I'm scared to feed a vicious dog, it's not saying I'm better than everyone? Please help. I want to test this agasint God's word.

AUGUST 15th 2007:

+ Fretting [anxiety] and worry are two "luxuries" that My children cannot afford!

"luxury" - anything that ministers to comfort or pleasure but is not a necessity to life, health etc; free indulgence in that which is extremely gratifying;

+ My children must forsake their "Plan B" mentality in this hour. For I have only one Will - and one path for each and every one of My children to both enter into and fulfil the fullness of their destiny in Christ.

+ It is quite simple. If My children are going to allow themselves to be held captive by a spirit of fear [pride] - to any degree - then Satan shall surely use them in some way to hinder or to persecute those of My children who are truly seeking first My kingdom, and to be righteously motivated at all times.

+ The "flesh" always seeks its own "comfort" first and foremost.
http://ft111.com/glennjackson.htm Website of origin.

[Linda M ~~]

Hi Drybonesreborn,

I'm brand new, and I just wanted to bring you the word. Which I'm sure you already knew.


Psa 37:1 [[[A Psalm] of David.]] Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.

For :

Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy [is] understanding.


Blessings

Linda M ~~

;)

[DrRita]

I like to test prophecy against God's word. I consider myself like 2 percent prophet. Some things in my life God has used signs, and witnesses to speak to me and visions.

This intrigued me. Can fear and pride be the same. If I'm scared to feed a vicious dog, it's not saying I'm better than everyone? Please help. I want to test this agasint God's word.



First there is no such thing a 2% Prophet. . . either you is or you isn't! :cool: And a prophet must be right 100% of the time.

But as for your question: NO they are not the same. Fear is a base emotion which stems from the lack of faith, courage, understanding, acceptance or other instabilities in a person's life. Lack of trust causes fear. Fear can turn into pride or anger or a multitude of other sins. It says in 1 John:17-19

Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us.

Satan's downfall was pride, not fear.

[Alice]

I think it's a mistake to confuse them. They probably can be related, but they don't have to be.

And if somebody's dealing with fear, it wouldn't be very nice to say, "You're proud! Get over it!"

Perfect love casts out fear. Not pride.

[jacks girl]

I deal with fear a lot, and in no way would i ever mistake fear for pride. I don't see how you could but thats me. Fear is wrong, we are not supposed to be afraid. Fear is something that's hard to help at times. May be were afraid to stay by ourselves at night, or we are afraid of flying in air planes. I see no way to compare fear and pride may be you can explain this to me.

I know both pride and fear is wrong but i think i would rather be proud at times then fearful. It might be easier to deal with.


As far as the prophet I personally don't think everyone that has a vision or gets a sign is a prophet. I'm not even sure that just because you prophesy means you are a prophet. I think the last real prophet's are all in paradise now. As i said earlier thats my opinion.

[Drybonesreborn]

Thanks for sharing. I mean, if God told you"So and so will be president" And it happens 2 times then what?

As for Fear and pride, why would it be in brackets? I'm a writer, but no English major.

[Nessa-Ciryatan]

Fear and pride are fundamentally different. Simply look at these definitions from Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/) and compare them.

Fear is:
1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.
3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.
4. reverential awe, esp. toward God.
5. that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.

Pride is:
1. a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.
2. the state or feeling of being proud.
3. a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
4. pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.
5. something that causes a person or persons to be proud: His art collection was the pride of the family.
6. the best of a group, class, society, etc.: This bull is the pride of the herd.
7. the most flourishing state or period: in the pride of adulthood.

(and more)
Fear might make you fall back on your pride (your own sense of importance) to get out of something. Pride might make you afraid of something, like being humiliated. One may lead to or cascade into the other thus I'm sure you can feel them both at the same time, but they're two separate emotions/states.

[DrRita]

Thanks for sharing. I mean, if God told you"So and so will be president" And it happens 2 times then what?


Having God tell you something does not make you a prophet! Especially if it only happened twice. Good grief we'd all be prophets at that rate. A prophet speaks from God to man and is never wrong.

[Drybonesreborn]

I wasn't wrong either. God was right, He told me what exactly would happen. Thanks. ^_^

[ProfessorAlan]

this is getting very close to a debate over theology ........ though it may also just be one over semantics.

[Drybonesreborn]

What debate? I don't see it. Just about fear and pride and the dictonary. ^_^ Thanks for the clarification all.

[jacks girl]

I don't think this sounds like a debate either.

I do agree with doc we all have had God, our little voice, a feeling, ... many things come to us in different ways. But I would never consider myself a prophet. I would have to hear God's voice calling from on high and have him tell me you are a prophet before I'd go calling myself anything more than a Christian trying. but thats me...

[Drybonesreborn]

Maybe I am only get prophetic ideas. Cuz, from what I read we are all called to serve God and obey HIM.

[Juliet77]

I believe that we can be 'prophetic' but that doesn't necessarily make us prophets. Surely God wants to speak to all of his children. Jesus said 'My sheep hear my voice.' There is the spiritual gift of prophecy which is to edify the body of Christ, which is not the same thing as the ministry of the prophet.

[Lookin^Up]

Anyone can prophesy as the Holy Spirit leads, but the gift of prophecy in ministry is far more than 2%. And as I think someone else has mentioned, prophecy doesn't always mean predicting future events. It could simply be God's message to you at the moment, a message that at times can hurt as much as it helps. (False prophets, on the other hand, only speak messages that make people feel good.)

[AnnWinters]

Prophecy is referenced in Scripture two ways. One is that the general Christian can teach or prophesy according to their interpretation of Scripture. led of the Holy Spirit. The other is the Divinely inspired prophetic visions or knowledge foretelling the future and will of God.

I believe there is major confusion concerning the latter, because the born again Christian has the indwelling Spirit with the natural gift of discernment, howbeit, not all recognize this or know how to use the gift. The word tells us that Father God would not have us ignorant [1 John 2:20-21] about things to come. So, by His Spirit He keeps us informed. It can be as simple as using everyday wisdom to live our lives as ambassadors of Heaven. Or, it can be the ministry gift of discernment to know how to pray, edify, or warn those Christian’s we may see straying, or entering into willful sin. But this does not make one a prophet in the prophetic visionary sense.

If you look at Scripture, you will see that Prophetic Visionary Prophecy is used to “warn” or “guide” the Church as a whole. In old testament accounts, they were usually given to kings and countries to warn, protect and guide the Children and nation of Israel. In new testament era, we have John’s visionary account in Revelation. Again, meant for the Church as a whole.

I do believe we can, through prayer for wisdom and guidance, have a discernment, [secular term is intuition or gut feeling] about, for example, who might be the next president of the US, etc.. It’s not hard in today’s climate, and with study of Scriptures, for a wise Christian to correctly “predict” some future events. However, this is far from being a Visionary Prophet sent by God to warn of impending danger or the wrath of God to, or on, the Church or nation as a whole.

There are some wise men out there today, who have spent their entire lives serving and ministering for God, who are doing their best to follow the correct teaching and discernment about possible future events. They are correct concerning some events, yet the world and the Church both seem unwilling to “hear.’ The latter is typical when you look at Scriptures, which would make one think they are probably the real thing. A true prophet is rarely appreciated or believed.

[Drybonesreborn]

Thank you. ^_^

[mommyclay]

I read somewhere that prophecy in OT times meant fortelling of the future events that God Himself had told them and that in these times it was a recognition (forgive a spelling error?) of what was already fortold. I think, perhaps, you need a better understanding of what Scripture says? (Forgive me if I didn't really understand what you were asking.) Pride is one thing and fear is another.

[MADAGLENE]

ONLY the truth will set us free.